South Carolina High School Student Dragged From Class

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

Oooooo, the profession has professional training and experience, and us mere mortals must defer to their judgement?

Bah. It's not true, not about cops, not about doctors, and not about teachers. Now I could be wrong here, but there have been no facts brought out to contradict my take as of yet. The teacher decided to stop the world because a girl was sulky and pissed him off. If her crimes were greater than that, show it. Sorry, I'm not willing to 'trust the teacher' and assume it.

In any case, let's be sure we understand that the criticism of the teacher is somewhat speculative, and more than anything a wish that he'd been able, him being who he was and the girl being who she was, to defuse instead of escalate the confrontation--before Officer Slam, the real and known bad actor, showed up and did his thing.

First the school staff. Do you have a clue how easy it is for a classroom to go out of control...incidentally or as a process? Teachers need to maintain order and control. Depending on the school, often ruthless order and control. Any indication that they won't or can't and the testing begins. I'm assuming you have kids don. Their prime objective, and I'm not being negative about this because it's a learning process in their development, is to test limits. Determine what behaviors are OK and and not OK. The learning happens directly and indirectly...what happens to the kid, and what the kid sees happening to other kids. Any classroom teacher who allows a kid to oppositionally defy the rules of order is asking for chaos. The good teachers are those who maximize classroom learning and in the process of maintaining unflinching order HELP THE KIDS IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROCESS OF DEVELOPING SOME FUCKING SELF CONTROL. They will not let any student get away with the shit this student tried to pull. It doesn't matter if the kid stepped in dogshit on the way to school or if the kid's mother died last month. It's about not allowing the process to be negatively impacted, and certainly not in front of other students. Oh my...poor little miss is going to be terminally damaged if she has to put away her goddamm cellphone. The school staff is doing you a favor little girl. You're a high school student, you're getting close to going out into the workplace, if you haven't already. Watch what happens when your boss tells you to get off your phone and get back to work and you decide you don't have to. In addition to the need to maintain full classroom control, it's a life lesson for christ's sake.

There's no intelligent discussion among quality teaching professionals classroom or administrative regarding the actions of this teacher or this assistant principal. Stop the world, my ass. What is it with you?

As far as this incident is concerned, it was really two incidents, with two vastly different sets of control and consequences.

1. The first was the classroom dynamic with school staff. The school staff handled this situation exactly as they should and how such situations are handled in the vast majority of school districts where teachers and administrators are doing their jobs correctly. The control is with school staff, the consequences are increasingly severe, depending on the the behavior. Minor stuff earns a trip to the school office to chill out. More serious earns an after school detention. Worse a suspension. Maximum earns an expulsion. Maxiumum? How's about zero tolerance that earns a kid a permanent expulsion for bringing a look-alike toy gun on to school grounds that resembles a real firearm. But...BBbbbuuuuuut...it's not a real gun it's a toy gun. Tough shit kid, tough shit mom and dad....it's done...you're gone. Case closed.

2. The second incident begins when the student refuses to comply and law enforcement is called in to facilitate removal of the student from the classroom or possibly even removed from school property if the situation gets serious enough. The control is law enforcement. The consequences are arrest and charges.

I don't understand why TF we need to keep doing this idiotic dance. It's not that complicated. It's the way it's designed. It's the way it needs to work. It's the way it typically works and works fine. This cop screwed up. If he had just dragged her in her chair out into the hallway, called for backup to help get her off school property if that was necessary to get it accomplished without taking her down...it would have been one of probably a dozen similar incidents (probably more) across the country that day where an oppositional and defiant kid refused to comply with either level of control.

Jesus christ on a fucking pogo stick, don.