South Carolina High School Student Dragged From Class

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Well, this entire diatribe merely highlights a lack of training in the particular field as well as a well codified misunderstanding of how firearms (not nearly as lethal as you might believe), safety (personal and professional), risk (measurement) and legal culpability (exposure) exist in the Real World.

Firearms not lethal? Grappling and cuffing isn't lethal either, but firearms are lethal more often, and quicker in any case. If you are into overwhelming force, as you say, what else compares?

Safety, personal? I guess you mean if you shoot people all the time, they may take to trying to shoot you more often, or otherwise fight back with extreme intent? So, do you intend to have a bargain with the populace instead? You won't try to actually kill them if they don't resist too much? Might work, but if you're going to try it, you need different rhetoric and slogans. 'Nuke'em speak' is right out.

Safety, professional? That the legacy legal entanglements I mentioned, isn't it?

risk measurement? Don't know what you just mean here.

legal culpability (exposure)? Yes, mentioned. But it's interesting that you cast this as a hazard to the officer, as opposed to recognizing a duty to follow the law.

Originally Posted by Zeke

Security-think is a thing, a thing I favour in warfare, but the fact that officers bother to arrest stands as inherent evidence that it is not utilized as an in-house remedy to crime.

You favor it in police operations as well. There is nothing in your list of objections that indicates you see 'subjects' as having any rights you are bound to respect. You don't see an arrestee (who, keep in mind, has in general not been found guilty of anything) as a citizen whose welfare deserves any consideration. You don't even acknowledge that an officer's legal duty is a factor, except for the trouble he can get into for breaching it. Basically, you just suggest self-interested reasons an officer might not want to blaze away.

So if he can get away with it, there is no reason for the cop not to blaze away, in your view.

[djv8ga]

Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't assualt someone like that. If I did it to somebody, officer slam (lol) would arrest me. This was another case of an unproffesional jerk losing his cool IMO.
I think he should be charged with assualt.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't assualt someone like that. If I did it to somebody, officer slam (lol) would arrest me. This was another case of an unproffesional jerk losing his cool IMO.
I think he should be charged with assualt.

You know DJ, sometimes you're an OK Dude.

[Dondilion]

This idiot, J. Williams says the teachers are to be blamed and even the black ones are racist.

He is handing over control to the students...text as much as you want for as long as you want.

http://news.yahoo.com/elephant-room-...215096198.html

[donquixote99]

Funny, I read the article and I didn't see where it said that students get control and should text all they want....

There's nothing outlandish about saying black teachers may be racist, most everyone is, it's just a matter of how much, and how aware they are of it, and what they do about it.

And this lady says what I've been saying here, so she at least is no idiot!

“Instead of making her cell phone and/or her behavior the focus of his class, he could have told her he would deal with her after class,” Royal wrote in an email to TakePart. “Because of his choice not to let it go, to contact the administrator instead, he kept students from learning, and he disrupted the learning environment.”

In the classroom, wrote Royal, "power struggles with students rarely end well.”

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[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Funny, I read the article and I didn't see where it said that students get control and should text all they want....

There's nothing outlandish about saying black teachers may be racist, most everyone is, it's just a matter of how much, and how aware they are of it, and what they do about it.

And this lady says what I've been saying here, so she at least is no idiot!



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You are saying the same thing. Allow her to continue texting. She can do as she pleases. Therefore another student can do the same. Next the students control the classroom.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

You are saying the same thing. Allow her to continue texting. She can do as she pleases. Therefore another student can do the same. Next the students control the classroom.

She was told to stop texting, and it is said that she did. Then she was told to do something else, and she refused. Then she was ruled in defiance, and the world was stopped to deal with this high crime.

Now, was the something else truly necessary? Choose your battles, and the time for them, is what I'm saying. Which, I assure you, is totally different from letting the students control the classroom.

The world does not have to come to a stop because a kid was texting. If there's dancing in the aisles in math class, then call out the guard. But a girl pissed off and sulking? As long as she's quiet about it, let her sulk. You can teach around that.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I talked to my daughter.

She convinced me that schools today are much worse for disciplinary problems than they were in my day, or hers (she's 35). She also convinced me that the girl was being an obnoxious brat and deserved to be removed from class. However she also said that Officer Slam's actions were way way out of line and that he made it harder for everyone else that has to deal with disruptive students.

Apparently it's not unusual for kids to be removed from class. She had to remove one today. She just told him to get out and then pushed some button that brings an administrator to come get him. He left the class without resisting, but was cursing her on the way out.

And last week the resource officer escorted a girl that had brought a knife to school out to a waiting police car, again without violence.

Your daughter is a very insightful woman TJ.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

According to what I have read she was handcuffed and arrested which to me is a ridiculous reaction to using a cell phone in class.

She wasn't handcuffed and arrested for using a cell phone in class, TJ. She was handcuffed and arrested for physically resisting a law enforcement officer responding to a request by school staff to remove her from the classroom. If she had gotten up out of her seat and walked to the school office with Fields, or the assistant principle nobody would have been arrested and nobody outside of that classroom and that school would know anything about it.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

She was told to stop texting, and it is said that she did. Then she was told to do something else, and she refused. Then she was ruled in defiance, and the world was stopped to deal with this high crime.

Anyway you want to pitch it. She wants to rule.