Trump Is on Point: The Covid-infected Are Fleeing Mexico…for US Hospitals

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Uh-huh.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

His friend said he argues positions he doesn't actually believe in. In such situations, going through the motions often seems good enough.

In other words, a sealion with a galloping case of the trots?

[FordGT90]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Industrial scale food production relies on cheap (and frequently undocumented) migrant labor to reduce the cost of harvesting & processing those food products.

Want incomes to rise? Cut off the access to cheap labor. The bottom sets the wages at the top. As long as there are bodies to fill empty positions, there is no competition to fill those positions so the wages stay rock bottom indefinitely.

Wage growth happened for the first time in over a decade because of Trump's crackdown on immigration. Businesses had to offer more money for what would be minimum wage jobs in order to fill those positions. Because it cost more to fill the bottom positions, people higher up the stack want a raise too because they're worth more to the company.


Another fact most people aren't aware of but the rise in immigrant labor has inversely related with teenage workforce participation. They often compete for the same jobs but teens are more likely to give up on that pursuit because it's bonus income rather than a necessity. This increasing unemployment among teens has also lead to many cultural problems we're facing today among youth.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

Want incomes to rise? Cut off the access to cheap labor. The bottom sets the wages at the top. As long as there are bodies to fill empty positions, there is no competition to fill those positions so the wages stay rock bottom indefinitely.

Wage growth happened for the first time in over a decade because of Trump's crackdown on immigration. Businesses had to offer more money for what would be minimum wage jobs in order to fill those positions. Because it cost more to fill the bottom positions, people higher up the stack want a raise too because they're worth more to the company.


Another fact most people aren't aware of but the rise in immigrant labor has inversely related with teenage workforce participation. They often compete for the same jobs but teens are more likely to give up on that pursuit because it's bonus income rather than a necessity. This increasing unemployment among teens has also lead to many cultural problems we're facing today among youth.

Your philosophy on labor is irrelevant in response to my post. Curiously you ignored addressing the influence of agra-business on the labor force, such as funding politicians to ignore or support labor abuses.

You may recall the greasing of the political wheels that resulted in the special rules that the Trump administration had published under the aegis of OSHA guidelines that allowed meat packing plants to remain open in spite of the catastrophic number of cover-19 cases that existed in that industry.

[FordGT90]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Your philosophy on labor is irrelevant in response to my post. Curiously you ignored addressing the influence of agra-business on the labor force, such as funding politicians to ignore or support labor abuses.

Because it's a huge can of worms I don't really want to get in to. Suffice it to say, the worst offender is meat packers. Not only are the conditions they created in their facilities conducive to the spread of viruses, they price fix meat and meat products. They really need to be trust busted.

Meat packers are paid more than minimum wage (usually about $10/hr), however. The only minimum wage jobs in agriculture are the seasonal workers that harvest specific crops mostly by hand. These are jobs teens could and should be filling, not immigrants as I described in my last post.

Originally Posted by Mark B

You may recall the greasing of the political wheels that resulted in the special rules that the Trump administration had published under the aegis of OSHA guidelines that allowed meat packing plants to remain open in spite of the catastrophic number of cover-19 cases that existed in that industry.

It's either that or no meat for anyone unless you put in an order at a local meat locker months ago. It would deny access to protein for especially the poor because you need to pay hundreds of dollars up front at a meat locker. Meat locker production is also down because of COVID-19.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Orange Shitstain (and his cultists) Wrongly Blame Protests, Mexico for COVID-19 Spread

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/tr...vid-19-spread/



His cultist idiots willingly believe ANYTHING this lying piece of shit says, no matter how far-fetched. Witness this very thread.

I think it's funny that you trust "factcheck.org".

Maybe I should start a site called "IAmAlwaysRight.info" and everyone will believe it's the source for the "truth".

Nothing wrong with fact checking sites. but they are biased like all other sites. And usually it is not what they say, but what they DON'T say where the devil - and bias - hides.

And sometimes it is what they say that is just plain bullchit. But that is easier to detect, so they are all very careful. More careful than Trump.

Example: Spike is caused by people coming in from Mexico, but not necessarily Mexican citizens or "illegals". But when Trump says "mexicans", which is grossly imprecice, everyone pounces on that precise wording, ignoring the fact that the new death numbers are increased by people coming across the border for treatment and to die - regardless of their nationality or legal status.

And that is the real issue. And he's right.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

The only minimum wage jobs in agriculture are the seasonal workers that harvest specific crops mostly by hand. These are jobs teens could and should be filling, not immigrants as I described in my last post.

You're living in your fantasy world of the 1950's, filled with little 40-acre family farms. You've clearly never been to the Imperial Valley in CA. You really should educate yourself.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Chicks

You're living in your fantasy world of the 1950's, filled with little 40-acre family farms. You've clearly never been to the Imperial Valley in CA. You really should educate yourself.

In sales that is called a Big Fat Claim.

Care to back it up?

[FordGT90]

Originally Posted by Chicks

You're living in your fantasy world of the 1950's, filled with little 40-acre family farms. You've clearly never been to the Imperial Valley in CA. You really should educate yourself.

I literally live on an acreage surrounded by fields, my sister is married to a family farmer, and, like healthcare, I have studied agriculture a great deal.

I firmly believe any job can be done by an American if the pay is right. Immigrants are simply willing to accept less pay than Americans because of a lower standard for quality of life.

Maybe consumer prices for agricultural products need to go up to actually reflect what these products are worth. Thing is, government has it's hands deep in the agriculture business to prevent another Great Depression.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

I literally live on an acreage surrounded by fields, my sister is married to a family farmer, and, like healthcare, I have studied agriculture a great deal.

I firmly believe any job can be done by an American if the pay is right. Immigrants are simply willing to accept less pay than Americans because of a lower standard for quality of life.

Maybe consumer prices for agricultural products need to go up to actually reflect what these products are worth. Thing is, government has it's hands deep in the agriculture business to prevent another Great Depression.

Bolded stuff quite true. Demagoguery by Trump in this area quite racist and disgusting.