Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by barbara

Too often I hear that there is no way we can control gun ownership in our country.

I just don't think that is true.

We could if we wanted to.
We could if lobbyists like the NRA didn't have politicians by the b@lls.

There is one thing that I do not understand - there are zillions of private gun owners. How do you think that this latent danger is checkable?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by barbara

Too often I hear that there is no way we can control gun ownership in our country.

I just don't think that is true.

We could if we wanted to.
We could if lobbyists like the NRA didn't have politicians by the b@lls.

It would not change overnight the change would be generational but it would happen.

The old saw is that if you take away guns only bad guys would have them....but then we would know who to go after. Plus gangsters, drug dealers, bank robbers, mobsters, etc do not seem to be doing the massacres. It is the so called "psychopath" who nevertheless is able to get an assault weapon easily. I am beginning to think the mental issue is just a crutch. Maybe these are just evil people doing this.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

There's two things in America that aren't going away.

Cars, and guns.

They are ingrained in our culture.

I've been conflicted on this gun issue for a long time, but no more.

It's time for liberals to embrace the gun.

These gun free zones are nothing but an invitation for sick fucks like Dylan Roof and this shitter to go in and execute people like shooting fish in a barrel.

It's time to issue permits to carry to law abiding citizens so that they can defends themselves.

Know what?

I have two, count em, two Concealed Carry Permits. One from Florida and one from Alabama. In order to get them I have been background checked, fingerprinted and mugshot, and they know where I live. Yet if I go out to that stupid assed gun grabbing left coast libtard state of Oregon, those fuckers will not honor either one of my permits. That's fucking bullshit!

I tell you what, if these pyschos knew that if they walk into a school they are liable to encounter an undetermined number of armed citizens ready to shoot back they would thing long and hard about trying shit like this.

I strongly disagree. Even with armed well meaning civilians, determined psychopaths can wreak mayhem and carnage in a very short period of time armed with an automatic weapon. How in the hell do you expect to aim and shoot during the ensuing panic and people running or ducking for cover?

[barbara]

Originally Posted by icenine

It would not change overnight the change would be generational but it would happen.



The old saw is that if you take away guns only bad guys would have them....but then we would know who to go after. Plus gangsters, drug dealers, bank robbers, mobsters, etc do not seem to be doing the massacres. It is the so called "psychopath" who nevertheless is able to get an assault weapon easily. I am beginning to think the mental issue is just a crutch. Maybe these are just evil people doing this.

The old argument about only criminals will have guns if we restrict guns just doesn't fly. In other countries, what has happened is that guns then have to be sold on the black market for thousands of dollars (in Australia, black market gun is $34,000). So, instead of the bad guys stealing guns from law abiding citizens for free.... They would have to purchase them at prices the average criminal can't afford.

As for the mental health thing..... Other countries have just as many unstable people..... And other countries have been successful at restricting gun ownership.

[Mr. Lin]

Originally Posted by icenine

It would not change overnight the change would be generational but it would happen.

Yes. I don't agree at all that we should just throw up our arms and come to terms with this being reality in America, and that nothing can be done about it. Furthermore, I'm vehemently opposed to citizens being armed in public, especially those without formal training, it's not a solution, it's madness. I recently had a discussion with a family member who's ex-army and in the process of getting his concealed-carry in NJ. He claims the qualification process is not trivial, and generally tows the whole NRA Good Guy With A Gun line as further rationalization. But some of my concerns would include: When is the last time this Good Guy With A Gun was at the firing range? Is he having a bad day today emotionally? Is he on medication? Is he taking drugs for recreational purposes?

I believe everyone arming themselves is only going to make matters worse. We need to confront the insane overabundance of firearms in the U.S., their ready availability, and of course, the social and political turmoil that's lead us to this point, and ask ourselves whether it's more important to "exercise your 2nd amendment right" or start down a path of removing guns from our society. I admit this is an intimidating proposition, and I certainly don't have specific answers for how to go about it. The longer this nonsense goes on, however, the more I find myself moving toward a hard-line stance on gun control - more specifically gun removal.

The old saw is that if you take away guns only bad guys would have them....but then we would know who to go after.

I like this!

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lin

Yes. I don't agree at all that we should just throw up our arms and come to terms with this being reality in America, and that nothing can be done about it. Furthermore, I'm vehemently opposed to citizens being armed in public, especially those without formal training, it's not a solution, it's madness. I recently had a discussion with a family member who's ex-army and in the process of getting his concealed-carry in NJ. He claims the qualification process is not trivial, and generally tows the whole NRA Good Guy With A Gun line as further rationalization. But some of my concerns would include: When is the last time this Good Guy With A Gun was at the firing range? Is he having a bad day today emotionally? Is he on medication? Is he taking drugs for recreational purposes?

I believe everyone arming themselves is only going to make matters worse. We need to confront the insane overabundance of firearms in the U.S., their ready availability, and of course, the social and political turmoil that's lead us to this point, and ask ourselves whether it's more important to "exercise your 2nd amendment right" or start down a path of removing guns from our society. I admit this is an intimidating proposition, and I certainly don't have specific answers for how to go about it. The longer this nonsense goes on, however, the more I find myself moving toward a hard-line stance on gun control - more specifically gun removal.



I like this!

Very well thought out and stated.

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[Mr. Lin]

Thank you.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Very well thought out and stated.

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Plus one. Thanks, Mr. Lin.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by icenine

I think you are mistaken in that access is the key. The reason why the UK is much safer is that it is much more difficult to access weapons. Same in Japan. The complete and unfettered access to weapons here is the reason why thousands are killed every year.

I do not think you can legislate a more caring and sane society, because Americans are not willing to accept gun control, even if the victims are first graders. It may appear that Western Europe and the UK are more caring societies but that could just be the gun control laws making them that way. In other words good locks make good next door neighbors.

If the United States were to suddenly relax all the laws against cocaine you would see the death rate from overdoses immediately surge. You can see that with the heroin epidemic right now people dying because the price is so cheap and the access is very easy. Physical controls will only work with the gun massacre epidemic.

It was alleged that UK intro of gun laws after Dunblane made them safer, and that murder rates proved it. If the data I found is correct, murder rates don't prove it.

You have an epidemic when a disease grows exponentially because nothing limits it's spread. Looking at the data, we do have an increase, but not an epidemic. This is a graph based on data from the Mother Jones database.



You will see a few more incidents, and definitely more fatalities, in the last 10 years. In the period 1982-1995, average fatalities a year are 10.5; for 2006-2015, that average jumps to 27.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Political views: "conservative, republican".

It would appear he's one of yours.


http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

LMFAO, nobody lies on dating sites...

Odds are he was a liberal like most mass shooters.

And by singling out Christians increases the odds that he is a Lib are he was
or Muslim or both.