Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

But it looks like this guy was a whacked out lib that hated christians, not unlike a few on this site act.

And it's Obama who is politicizing this?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Murders not deaths!!!!!!!
It's not accurate to include suisids and accidents.

It's about guns. Whether it's murder, suicide or accident doesn't matter.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

my eyes are not that good and looking on a phone is a bit hard for me.

Funny though....I see spelling erors prior to that one and D-Ray only feels the need to be my teacher.

Pluss I can't spell worth shit anyway so it's know and the only reason to point out something I miss spell is to belittel.

Had me fooled, I thought you are genius using a Kaprinsky keyboard.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Murders not deaths!!!!!!!
It's not accurate to include suisids and accidents.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Unfortunately, a cinvenient push button response to despair is an instant and easy, no callback, permanent solution. Accidents happen, almost all due to carelessness.

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[icenine]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Here's a source of homicide data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_decade#1990s

The rates given there:

Rates per 100,000 population.
..........................1995..........2011
US.......................9.0.............4.7
England/Wales......1.22............1.0

1995 is the year before Dunblane, 2011 is the last year given for England/Wales.

It's worth noting that the 2010 rate for England/Wales is 1.23. So the English rate is basically static with gun control, and the US rate fell by half without it. I'm for reasonable tightening of gun control, but let's not kid ourselves as to what problems will be affected thereby.

The thing that's wanted to stop mass shootings is a more sane and caring society, that is more able to identify and help people messed-up enough to do stuff like that. But that's really hard to do. Gun control is more definable, more tangible. There's just no particular reason to think that it will solve the problem that it's supposed to solve, that's all.

I think you are mistaken in that access is the key. The reason why the UK is much safer is that it is much more difficult to access weapons. Same in Japan. The complete and unfettered access to weapons here is the reason why thousands are killed every year.

I do not think you can legislate a more caring and sane society, because Americans are not willing to accept gun control, even if the victims are first graders. It may appear that Western Europe and the UK are more caring societies but that could just be the gun control laws making them that way. In other words good locks make good next door neighbors.

If the United States were to suddenly relax all the laws against cocaine you would see the death rate from overdoses immediately surge. You can see that with the heroin epidemic right now people dying because the price is so cheap and the access is very easy. Physical controls will only work with the gun massacre epidemic.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

What the problem is, is that liberal policies have blocked any physiatrist from reporting anything and letting the authorities know anything about the people they are seeing.

It's not about mental illness dimwit. There are plenty of mentally ill all over first world countries...none of those countries do what we do. And WTF do you know about mental illness. You a mental health professional 5 below. I kinda fuckin' doubt it.

Licensed mental health professionals have "danger to self and others" and "duty to warn" guidelines. Any time any client presents with a reasonable possibility of harming self or others, we lose our license if we do not take action to petition and certify them into the hospital and warn anybody they're threatening.

You don't know what you're talking about 5 below. The right wants to take away the guns from somebody who has treatable depression, but they fight taking guns away from the blind. The blind should have guns. You people are as fucking crazy as you are ignorant.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Here's a source of homicide data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_decade#1990s

The rates given there:

Rates per 100,000 population.
..........................1995..........2011
US.......................9.0.............4.7
England/Wales......1.22............1.0

1995 is the year before Dunblane, 2011 is the last year given for England/Wales.

It's worth noting that the 2010 rate for England/Wales is 1.23. So the English rate is basically static with gun control, and the US rate fell by half without it. I'm for reasonable tightening of gun control, but let's not kid ourselves as to what problems will be affected thereby.

The thing that's wanted to stop mass shootings is a more sane and caring society, that is more able to identify and help people messed-up enough to do stuff like that. But that's really hard to do. Gun control is more definable, more tangible. There's just no particular reason to think that it will solve the problem that it's supposed to solve, that's all.

It's a barbarous world. Don't count on a sane and caring society showing up anytime soon.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Still no information as to the guns used.

But it looks like this guy was a whacked out lib that hated christians, not unlike a few on this site act.

Political views: "conservative, republican".

It would appear he's one of yours.


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[Pio1980]

Pox Noise is framing this as an attack on Christians as part of their "war on Christianity" crusade.
Otherwise, their coverage on gun related issues tends to be suprisingly neutral.

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[Boreas]

We are awash in guns, 9 for every 10 people, man woman or child, in the country. Not surprisingly, that makes us number one. Fuck, yeah!

Number two is Slovenia with about 7 for every 10 people.

Number 3? Yemen! And, in that war-torn country, it's a little more than 5 for every 10 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number...ita_by_country

The other thing, and perhaps the most important thing, is that we are all obsessed with guns. As individuals and as a country. We may love them or we may hate them but we're completely obsessed.