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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The same as it is for anything in a court of law, the "reasonable person" standard.

Mere hand-waving. We're talking about people going to jail, or getting shot dead. We need a real, defined standard here. A reasonable person would ... what? Would feel so scared their bowels let loose? Would feel 50% of 'bowels let loose?' Would feel the slightest discernible level of apprehension? What?