18 and Dead.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If he's still a threat?

In a fucking heartbeat.

You naive people...

I once asked you if you were a cop.

I never did see your answer.

I hope the fuck it was "no".

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I once asked you if you were a cop.

I never did see your answer.

I hope the fuck it was "no".

Here's an example of you inability to rationally think on this issue: it doesn't matter, either way, to anyone possessing unimpaired cognitive function.

Your arguments suck, flailing doesn't become you.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

So it looks like Brown has already been tried and convicted of strong arm robbery.

So it looks like the cop has already been tried and convicted of murder. Irony rears it's ugly head. Just sayin'.

That said...I think this was not a good shoot. If the facts as are we now understand them, regardless of prior acts at a convenience store, there were a number of ways this cop could have handled this situation. He could have tazed the kid. He could have maced the kid. He could have beat the spit out of the kid after he tazed and maced the kid. It does not appear the kid had a weapon...it does not appear the kid was able to get the cop's gun away from him. Bad shoot.

That said...the kid was a fucking idiot for laying hands on a police officer. If the kid had said "yes-sir", laid down in the street with his hands behind his back, been cuffed and hauled off to the lockup. The kid would be alive today. Do I think that warrants a death sentence carried out in the street? Of course not. But there are a number of reasons why this kid should not be dead today and most of them are due to his own stupidity, bad self-control, and apparently belligerent attitude.

PS - anybody here ever heard of Robert Cameron Redus? Maybe so, maybe not. If so...any of those here who heard of him ever post any report about what happened to Robert Cameron Redus? It appears not. Perhaps Robert would have received more fucking attention here if he were a poor black ghetto kid assassinated by racist totalitarian coppers.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Here's an example of you inability to rationally think on this issue: it doesn't matter, either way, to anyone possessing unimpaired cognitive function.

Your arguments suck, flailing doesn't become you.

In other words you don't want to answer my question.

Fair enough.

I respect an individuals desire for privacy on the net.

It's a lawless land out here in cyberspace and you can't be too careful.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So it looks like the cop has already been tried and convicted of murder. Irony rears it's ugly head. Just sayin'.

That said...I think this was not a good shoot. If the facts as are we now understand them, regardless of prior acts at a convenience store, there were a number of ways this cop could have handled this situation. He could have tazed the kid. He could have maced the kid. He could have beat the spit out of the kid after he tazed and maced the kid. It does not appear the kid had a weapon...it does not appear the kid was able to get the cop's gun away from him. Bad shoot.

That said...the kid was a fucking idiot for laying hands on a police officer. If the kid had said "yes-sir", laid down in the street with his hands behind his back, been cuffed and hauled off to the lockup. The kid would be alive today. Do I think that warrants a death sentence carried out in the street? Of course not. But there are a number of reasons why this kid should not be dead today and most of them are due to his own stupidity, bad self-control, and apparently belligerent attitude.

PS - anybody here ever heard of Robert Cameron Redus? Maybe so, maybe not. If so...any of those here who heard of him ever post any report about what happened to Robert Cameron Redus? It appears not. Perhaps Robert would have received more fucking attention here if he were a poor black ghetto kid assassinated by racist totalitarian coppers.

You're Goddamn right it was a bad shoot.

What should have happened is that the cops should have seen the kids walking in the street and just drove on by around them, giving them the professional "cop wave" as they went by.

The rest of your post is a bunch of pseudo-macho Junior High School posturing and I am choosing to ignore it.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You're Goddamn right it was a bad shoot.

What should have happened is that the cops should have seen the kids walking in the street and just drove on by around them, giving them the professional "cop wave" as they went by.

The rest of your post is a bunch of pseudo-macho Junior High School posturing and I am choosing to ignore it.

WTF is the professional "cop wave"

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Because you'll wind up killing a guy over an insured microwave.

I get your point but it's a cost/benefit thing.

It's too bad that Officer Wilson didn't do a cost/benefit thing before he decided to bust a couple of teenagers for walking in the street.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So it looks like the cop has already been tried and convicted of murder. Irony rears it's ugly head. Just sayin'.

what is up with people on the internet not understanding what the term "irony " means. Besides the connotation of sarcasm it also has this definition:

a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.


So the reaction of the community of Ferguson, 70% black, to the perception, whether true or not, that an injustice was done to an 18 year old male by a white policeman, is not ironic. In other words they are probably reacting normally to what they perceive to be an injustice. So it is not unusual or "ironic", given the circumstances surrounding the death of Brown, that they are reacting this way and that said policeman is not very popular in public opinion there and in other places.

A more correct usage of the word irony would be this: It is indeed ironic that Wilson, a policeman with many previous commendations for public service, is now facing possible criminal charges for what appears to be a unjustified use of deadly force against a member of the community he was sworn to protect and serve.

that is how one uses the term irony ok


Your statement would make much more sense if you just left off the "irony rears it's ugly head" part.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

It's too bad that Officer Wilson didn't do a cost/benefit thing before he decided to bust a couple of teenagers for walking in the street.

Yes


perhaps a trip around the block, or just pulling to the side of the street and a radio call for back up so cooler heads could prevail looks much better to him now in hindsight.

sometimes success in life is based on what one DOES NOT do. I used to apply that dictum to the George W. Bush administration.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

It's too bad that Officer Wilson didn't do a cost/benefit thing before he decided to bust a couple of teenagers for walking in the street.

Looks like this has been lost on all of the discussions and justifications. It should not have happened, period. All this for the theft of $50 in cigars?