Benghazi attack - Terrorists or unruly crowd?

[Wasillaguy]

At this point, pretty much everyone has denied responsibility, from the CIA to the 4 star in charge. Which points the fickle finger of fate back at the still silent White House.
I don't believe Obama ever explained his stupor at the first debate. I wonder if it had anything to do with this.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Why, exactly, is this story "BS"?

A word of caution: your opinion doesn't count. You'll need to provide sourced factual information to refute any point in the NYT article. Otherwise, you'll come across as just another Wingnut blow-hard. And we all know that's not true.


John

Suck on it....

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libya...enghazi-attack

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Suck on it....

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libya...enghazi-attack

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.... and the rest>>>>

One of the consulate's private Libyan guards said masked militants grabbed him and beat him, one of them calling him "an infidel protecting infidels who insulted the prophet."

The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack.

The ambiguity has helped fuel the election-time bickering in the United States ever since.

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by whell

Not untrue of many organizations to foul up employee logistics. However, the technology supporting DoD, and State Dept operations in the field is vastly different than that which you describe. I'd have to suspect that you know this. The email communications between the security officer in the region and the White House have been leaked which is only one avenue of communication. There are also very likely digital communications which are still classified, and / or cell phone or satellite phone communications which were received either by the DoD, CIA, State Dept and / or the White House which gave much closer to real time info on what was occurring.

Bottom line: Anyone who believes that there aren't more advanced communications equipment and protocols between State, CIA and DoD and their assets in the field have no experience whatsoever in this realm.

The emails were never classified. They are distributed to a couple hundred people when they came in. Cables are still used for communication.

Even Geraldo Rivera chastised those bumps on a log hosts of Fox and friends for politicizing Behngazi after they played a clip of a tea birtcher Congressman blabbing about how the whole battle was viewed by the White House in real time. Rivera pointed out, in a rare moment of real journalism on Fox, that the Congressman was full of crap because the first drone actually arrived two hours after the attack was over. The second drone arrived about four and a half hours after the attack was over. Then he subtly pointed out that the money may not have been there for more security because the Republicans cut their budget for security.

You can't wade through the piles of horse shit posted on the Internet, by right wingers, to actually get to anything meaningful about Behngazi.

Here is what Obama should have done. Start a fake war, with a banana republic country, two days after the Consulate attack. Sound familiar?

Two days after the suicide bombing in Beirut, that killed 250 Marines, Oct. 23 1983 Reagan started a war. On Oct 25 1983, we rescued a couple of Med students from getting sunburned on the beaches of Grenada . It took peoples minds off of the far more serious lose of life in Beirut.

Way to go Saint Ronny!

[bobabode]

275 posts to put this bullshit to bed. Romney still screwed the pooch by trying to make hay out of something that should have brought us together. Just sayin'

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

At this point, pretty much everyone has denied responsibility, from the CIA to the 4 star in charge. Which points the fickle finger of fate back at the still silent White House.
I don't believe Obama ever explained his stupor at the first debate. I wonder if it had anything to do with this.

Probably had more to do with him being stunned as he watched the shape shifting Mittens morph into a moderate right before his eyes.

Mittens knows you can't get elected, in a National election, spewing the tbagger crap he spewed in the primaries. When tbaggers actually say what they really believe in, in public, they tend to get into a lot of hot water.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Suck on it....

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libya...enghazi-attack

So, it was a terrorist attack provoked by the video. It was carried out by a home-grown Libyan militia who, prior to the attack, succeeded in stirring up a group of local youth to begin a protest. They then used this protest as cover for their attack. How does this in any sense contradict the Administration's statements, including those of President Obama on September 12th?

John

[merrylander]

Guys you are wasting your time, these righties just can't get past the colour of his skin.

[JBS...]

"stand down"

"stand down"


"stand down"


Your house of cards is rapidly falling apart...

[bobabode]

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