Durham's Investigations Fizzles

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Really? 20 so federal agents with automatic weapons drawn are required to arrest one guy who was just defending his kid (and was later acquitted) from an adult who was berating the kid?

In the meantime, your hero AG Garland testifies that he can't find the folks who have been vandalizing pro-life centers because they are doing their vandalizing in the dark?

Sorry, not buying it.

I didn't say it was a righteous prosecution. I simply (and correctly) refuted your original assertion that he was persecuted for being Catholic. He wasn't. My entire family on both sides is 100% Catholic and I don't know a single person who has been persecuted for it in at least 4 generations, if not longer.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Oh dear. Just what freedom do you see as in jeapordy from liberal policies--besides the 'right to refuse service to anyone,' that is?

The reference was not to "liberal policies" but to the Finn's defense of the "you're with us or against us" fallacy. I've seen you in the past post about the danger of framing arguments as "us versus them", so I'd suspect that you'd also be against the use of this fallacy.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Not in this country, it's not. If that's what you believe, then you've morphed into the party of autocracy that you claim to disdain. The for us or against us line has been used by the likes of Lenin and Mussolini to create polarization and persecute the opposition. If that's where you socia!st democrats are heading, then you're no better than the man you claim to despise. Whatever you claim to support, it sure as hell isn't freedom or democracy

Defending democracy against Trump and his movement's protofascist ideology is not only not autocratic, it is the sacred duty of every citizen of our democracy. Their is no equivalency between a Trumpian autocracy and the democracy and its institutions & constitution that he is actively trying to undermine/destroy. He and his movement are a grave threat to both our national security and our freedoms.

So yes, you are either for democracy or for Trump. You can't be both.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I didn't say it was a righteous prosecution. I simply (and correctly) refuted your original assertion that he was persecuted for being Catholic. He wasn't. My entire family on both sides is 100% Catholic and I don't know a single person who has been persecuted for it in at least 4 generations, if not longer.

That wasn't my assertion in this case. My original statement which you took exception to was this one:

Originally Posted by whell

Right. Garland needs to harass pro-life advocates, parents who speak out at school board meetings, and Catholics. He's a pretty busy guy. But I digress....

When you suggested that I was referring to the persecution of "Catholics" in post 141, I posted in 143 that it was about the guy being pro-life. Perhaps since my supporting article was in a Catholic publication, but the guy was specifically arrested and charged, as you state for the act of defending his kid outside an abortion clinic.

Since the incident happened at an abortion clinic, the Feds decided to go after the guy with an over-the-top display of force. Sorry, but in this case, a couple of Feds could have shown up and made a nice, quiet arrest. That's not how this went down, and it's not hard to conjecture that the Feds are doing it for a reason.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Defending democracy against Trump and his movement's protofascist ideology is not only not autocratic, it is the sacred duty of every citizen of our democracy. Their is no equivalency between a Trumpian autocracy and the democracy and its institutions that he is actively trying to undermine/destroy. He and his movement are a grave threat to both our national security and our freedoms.

So yes, you are either for democracy or for Trump. You can't be both.

This one's for you, Finn. I'm sure you must look up to this guy, because you sound just like him:

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

This one's for you, Finn. I'm sure you must look up to this guy, because you sound just like him:

You're simply too dense to realize that Il Duce helped define the very ideology and its characteristics of corruption, violence, propaganda, and machismo that Trump enthusiastically emulates and espouses. Your Dear Leader kept a book of Hitler's speeches on his nightstand, for Christ's sake.

Check Strongmen out of your public library (if it hasn't been banned by your fellow travelers), read it, and then get back to me on how Joe Biden, not Donald Trump, is the contemporary face of American fascism.

[bobabode]

Every accusation from poor Whell is an admission of guilt. Trite? True, it fits Whell to a T.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Every accusation from poor Whell is an admission of guilt. Trite? True, it fits Whell to a T.

No shit. Everything he says is diametrically opposed to the truth. He lives in Bizarro World.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Every accusation from poor Whell is an admission of guilt. Trite? True, it fits Whell to a T.

Democracy or for Trump. He's made his choice clear. Except in Bizarro World they've been convinced that being for tRump is being for democracy.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're simply too dense to realize that Il Duce helped define the very ideology and its characteristics of corruption, violence, propaganda, and machismo .....

Sounds like you've got a lot to aspire to. Be patient with yourself. You're already well on your way.