I hope this has not already been posted. I find it very disturbing

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I wonder if it's the kind of neighborhood with enough pull to keep the law at bay?

Most of the folks in my 'hood barely own the pot they piss in. One of my neighbors witnessed a mugging in progress and pulled his gun, but just chased them off. No one got shot. The cops knocked on his door to remind him to be careful about things like that, make damn sure he's in the right before he uses his weapon. If he had shot someone unarmed, I'm pretty sure he would have at least been an investigation, even though there was clearly a violent crime taking place.

Some neighborhoods you can't even get into without a gate card or password. And those places usually have the pull to influence things. Know what I mean?

Dave

Originally Posted by painter

Yeah....maybe we should tell the muggers to stand beneath our window and we'll throw all the valuables we have out to them.

I WAS in a position to be a victim! Two men one night tried to push me into a car. If it were not for an older man walking his dog...I shudder to think what would have happened.
I have a feeling that when you are a victim or potential victim...your outlook on crime is different. I can tell you...its never forgotten and you are always aware.

That's not what I meant. My neighbor was well within the law and he did the right thing. They just wanted to make sure he understood that if he had killed an unarmed person, that he would have to prove his case. And, I'm sorry, but that is how it should be. Wild West vigilantism is not the answer.

FWIW, I think I've stated here before; I've been shot. Am I paranoid, toting a gun at all times and distrustful of everyone around me?

No. That's a miserable way to live.

My point was that wealthy neighborhoods tend to be more connected to the powers that be. Are you suggesting this isn't true?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Answer the question Pete. Answer the question.

If a black man chased a white kid and then a scuffle ensued and the black man killed the white kid with a gun as a result would we be talking about "should the black man be arrested?"

Answer the question.

Straight? Depends on the neighborhood. But why not apples to apples?

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Exactly. Who cares if a few innocent folks have to die, just as longs as they get to keep their guns.

Innocent folks die regardless. See: murder statistics. Btw, I don't value human life less than you do, or perhaps I do, because I value the rule of law over many Treyvons. And Zimmermans. Heck many Petes too for that matter.

Originally Posted by noonereal

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the black panthers need to step it up

Originally Posted by Charles

"Mob mentality!!!"

"Stay tuned, riots in the streets at 11:00!!!"

I promised myself to disengage from this issue as there is no center ground.

But would it be too much to ask as to wait until the investigation is brought to a conclusion?

Chas

Apparently, yes.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Charles

"Mob mentality!!!"

"Stay tuned, riots in the streets at 11:00!!!"

I promised myself to disengage from this issue as there is no center ground.

But would it be too much to ask as to wait until the investigation is brought to a conclusion?
Chas

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Apparently, yes.

Pete

Hopefully the Grand jury will do it's duty, I'm not holding my breath, tho. It's Florida after all. The press is the only way it can play out as nobody is charging Zimmerman with anything as yet. Therein lies all the outrage, my friends.

I wonder how many for sale signs are already sprouting up in that little slice of heaven?
All I can say is good luck finding a buyer much less closing escrow with an enormous HOA assessment looming.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Straight? Depends on the neighborhood.

Pete

In any neighborhood the black man is going to jail. You know damned well this is true.

"If a black man chased a white kid and then a scuffle ensued and the black man killed the white kid with a gun as a result would we be talking about "should the black man be arrested?"

[piece-itpete]

East Cleveland?

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Straight? Depends on the neighborhood. But why not apples to apples?



Innocent folks die regardless. See: murder statistics. Btw, I don't value human life less than you do, or perhaps I do, because I value the rule of law over many Treyvons. And Zimmermans. Heck many Petes too for that matter.





Apparently, yes.

Pete

Vigilantism is insane, IMHO. We can't have every amateur, neighborhood wannabe cop with a gun empowered to play judge, jury and executioner.

And as I see it, Floridas "Stand your Ground" law encourages this very behavior. If you take someones life, you should have to prove it was necessary. If it wasn't------off to jail you go.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

The way I see it, the system in Florida will decide if he is guilty or not. It's not up to me to decide, not being a resident of Florida.

If not, and folks think the laws are unjust, or if they think the system is corrupt, they can work to change them/enforce current law, or move, basically. It is up to them.

As you know, I'm fine with Ohio's Castle laws. I don't know if we have stand your ground laws or not, not being a ccw person. When I get shot by someone with ccw rights I'll let you know

Pete

[painter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I wonder how many for sale signs are already sprouting up in that little slice of heaven?

I ask myself...why would you have the need for a gated community in the first place if wasn't for crime]AND[/B] hire someone like Zimmerman? Evidently...the gate was not as effective as thought. The truth will come out and justice will prevail.

Anyway...I know a couple of people who live in Florida and it's not God's Waiting Room as once described.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by painter

I ask myself...why would you have the need for a gated community in the first place if wasn't for crime]AND[/B] hire someone like Zimmerman? Evidently...the gate was not as effective as thought. The truth will come out and justice will prevail.

Anyway...I know a couple of people who live in Florida and it's not God's Waiting Room as once described.

1) A gated community is about being prestigious. (or attempting to be) I know of none that are designed to a fortress.

2) Zimmerman held no security job as this community.

3) Obviously the truth was not being pursued which is why the outrage.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The way I see it, the system in Florida will decide if he is guilty or not. It's not up to me to decide, not being a resident of Florida.

If not, and folks think the laws are unjust, or if they think the system is corrupt, they can work to change them/enforce current law, or move, basically. It is up to them.
Pete

I wonder why the Feds are looking into it then? Because when a state refuses to abide by the US Constitution they have to step in and correct it. States aren't sovereign and shouldn't be. Ask and answer? Yeah Florida love it or leave it?
That's classic.