Are we losing in Afghanistan?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Charles

Define winning.

Chas

Making Al Qaeda and its associates ineffective for the forseeable future.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Making Al Queda and its associates ineffective for the forseeable future.

Assuming that's the case, have we won, or are we even capable of winning?

That is a two part question.

And in case you wonder, I replaced an overhead sewer line today, so I find myself being somewhat shitty.

Chas

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Charles

Assuming that's the case, have we won, or are we even capable of winning?

That is a two part question.


Chas

When we become so fearful about putting our foot on the ground, I have to conclude NO to the first part. The second part is possible.

[merrylander]

The problem is in trying to establish a central government in a mainly tribal area. When the colonial powers established the borders in that area no consideration waas given to the tribes. So the borders are mostly irrelevant but as long as Afghanistan was allowed to have its de-centralized political system things pretty much worked. Trying to setup Kharzai as president is never going to work, and besides he is a crook.

[piece-itpete]

We can keep the tally ban from being able to do anything appreciable as long as we have the will, my take.

Originally Posted by Charles

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And in case you wonder, I replaced an overhead sewer line today, so I find myself being somewhat shitty.

Chas

LMAO!!

Pete

[Charles]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We can keep the tally ban from being able to do anything appreciable as long as we have the will, my take.



LMAO!!

Pete

Taking a sawzall to a plugged 2" black iron DWV line while standing directly under it is about as disgusting as it gets.

I would have much rather taken a sawzall to whoever used black iron in the first place.

Chas

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

as long as we have the will, my take.

LMAO!!

Pete

Really need some strong will.
A couple months ago the Stryker vehicle was being touted. It is disheartening to see it now being toss some distance in the air like some toy.

[piece-itpete]

I agree, but the world is an ugly place. We can't let them operate openly anymore...

Originally Posted by Charles

Taking a sawzall to a plugged 2" black iron DWV line while standing directly under it is about as disgusting as it gets.

I would have much rather taken a sawzall to whoever used black iron in the first place.

Chas

Suddenly, I really, really like my job!

Pete

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The problem is in trying to establish a central government in a mainly tribal area. When the colonial powers established the borders in that area no consideration waas given to the tribes. So the borders are mostly irrelevant but as long as Afghanistan was allowed to have its de-centralized political system things pretty much worked. Trying to setup Kharzai as president is never going to work, and besides he is a crook.

in hindsight we should have left Afghanistan to the Russians.

The Russian and their local allies had the mujas beaten until we gave them (mujas) the stingers.

[merrylander]

Age old story, the military always prepares themselves to win the last war. Trouble is that today the enemy does not wear uniforms and shields itself behind the civilian population. Frex, being able to see in the dark (nightglasses) is no advantage when the civilians and the fighters all look the same. Since we don't have straggly beards and normally bathe fairly often even dressing like them is not likely to work.

We went in there to get OBL, well Barack got him so lets just come home and save the $$$ we are wasting on the Pakis.