Hate the Man, Hate the Message, Or Hate the Loss

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

It follows that the intelligent persons who voted for him either avoided exposure to such facts, or went into denial about them. Only feelings can account for such behavior.

You're leaving out the distinct possibility that the intelligent Trump voter was a greedy fuck who simply realized that MAGA is the best way to go if one wishes no more than to line one's own pockets. Musk and his merry band of Tech Bros are exhibit 1A.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Don't think so. Anyone who looked at the facts would know that Trump is ignorant, malicious, dishonest, and unfit. It follows that the intelligent persons who voted for him either avoided exposure to such facts, or went into denial about them. Only feelings can account for such behavior.

There is a voter (whether intelligent or otherwise) who votes basically on self interest. The voter is not too concerned about the candidate's personal negatives. The voter already has a bad view of politicians in general. How many of such
voters are out there.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Noogies

You're leaving out the distinct possibility that the intelligent Trump voter was a greedy fuck who simply realized that MAGA is the best way to go if one wishes no more than to line one's own pockets. Musk and his merry band of Tech Bros are exhibit 1A.

I agree with you in part. But why single out Musk. Musk is a child in awe of the universe and technological complexities. He said stuff which pissed off a lot of people and then realized that he needed protection. So he made a savvy bet on Donny essentially to protect his dreams.

[Oasis]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

There is a voter (whether intelligent or otherwise) who votes basically on self interest. The voter is not too concerned about the candidate's personal negatives. The voter already has a bad view of politicians in general. How many of such
voters are out there.

The voters you mention are highly distrusting of Government, which is a bedrock of conspiracy theorists, It's where they start their journey to full blown conspiracy theorist..

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

I agree with you in part. But why single out Musk. Musk is a child in awe of the universe and technological complexities. He said stuff which pissed off a lot of people and then realized that he needed protection. So he made a savvy bet on Donny essentially to protect his dreams.

Not singling Elon out, he's just the first example that pops into my head. Oddly enough. Agree that he made a savvy bet and when the relationship runs its course it will be interesting to see who gets kicked to the curb.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Noogies

You're leaving out the distinct possibility that the intelligent Trump voter was a greedy fuck who simply realized that MAGA is the best way to go if one wishes no more than to line one's own pockets. Musk and his merry band of Tech Bros are exhibit 1A.

Totally agreed. Also I believe misogyny ruled the day, majority of men in the US will not elect a woman president and the Dems had an extremely weak candidate that no amount of money could have helped.

And for once I agree with Ms. Pelosi, unless the Democrats conduct honest contested primaries, they will become a perpetual junior party.

Here is an indication of how badly the party fared in this election. Bobert's previous district where she barely won by around 500 votes in 2022, the same
Democratic candidate lost by more than 12,000 votes this time.

[icenine]

My take on the first Trump administration was to look at what Trump did legislatively rather than all the nonsense generated by his rhetoric...althought I will not discount the true evil he did by separating families at the border. He basically got a tax cut through that benefitted his fellow billionaires, he modified NAFTA instead of destroying it, and funded the COVID vaccine development...which was fortunate in that if the anti-vax hysteria had started earlier he might not have done it.

This time he could be more dangerous because he believes he has a mandate.
Hopefully age and declining mental accuity will dull his ability to get evil things done.
A lot of the economic inequality that has made those Trump supporters upset about their situation began to be instutionalized in the 1980s...I guess they expect Trump to wave a wand and set prices lower on 22 January. My take is that the Republicans will hook the billionaires up with another huge tax cut while throwing scraps out to the poorer voters who elected him.

One thing to watch out for...he won the popular vote, and more votes in Democratic states...does Trump still go after those populations like he did in 2016 by viewing them as the enemy...or does he start to look at those people as actual constituents. That will determine what is going to happen.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Totally agreed. Also I believe misogyny ruled the day, majority of men in the US will not elect a woman president and the Dems had an extremely weak candidate that no amount of money could have helped.



And for once I agree with Ms. Pelosi, unless the Democrats conduct honest contested primaries, they will become a perpetual junior party.

Not true about a woman candidate: Hillary got the popular vote by 3 million.
She lost because she and her handlers failed to comprehend the electoral vote system and campaigned lightly in the rust belt. Just a couple thousands more votes in the belt and she would have been over the hump...voila-the first woman president.

Kamala was a weak candidate. I knew that from the time Tulsi knocked her out in her first attempt. Moreover in public interactions she seemed to lack a measure of gravitas.
Anyhow from the exit polls the economy was a central factor.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Not true about a woman candidate: Hillary got the popular vote by 3 million.
She lost because she and her handlers failed to comprehend the electoral vote system and campaigned lightly in the rust belt. Just a couple thousands more votes in the belt and she would have been over the hump...voila-the first woman president.

Kamala was a weak candidate. I knew that from the time Tulsi knocked her out in her first attempt. Moreover in public interactions she seemed to lack a measure of gravitas.
Anyhow from the exit polls the economy was a central factor.

Mock oral sex with a microphone is gravitas?

[Enophile]

Originally Posted by Oasis

The voters you mention are highly distrusting of Government...

Yet 99+ % of them support the death penalty.