Convince me to vote, someone.....

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

...who actually said that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" as the friggin' economy was collapsing around him. And as clueless as this dolt was, his running mate was (and remains) even more clueless. BTW, 2008 didn't give us McCain/Palin, the GOP primaries/convention did. He was not foisted upon the party. They picked him and applauded his selection of the Wasilla Hillbilly.

As to the notion that everyone thinks that the government is too big, just what has the GOP done in the past or promised to do in the future that would change this? They've already said that they won't touch the DoD budget (other than to increase it) and won't touch entitlements either.

As for the assertion that "Bush Jr. was an immensely popular president," he left office as the single most unpopular President in American history. The only thing that helped his popularity was 9/11 and the Iraq War (pretty ironic in that they were both immense catastrophes that occurred on his watch).

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

"They read what they want to read..."

I said: "Bush Jr. was an immensely popular president, but the war was more the agenda than the economy in 2004..."

We actually agree on most of the rest. Just what has the GOP done about the expansive government? They've contributed to it, which is another reason that Obama won on 2008: McCain could not run with any credibility on a matter of importance to the Repub base, so many of them stayed home. Hell McCain and Wasilla Wilma actually took Repub campaign money, and then actually ran against the Repub party in their campaign ads. I think the Repub base would be sated with a pledge to reduce spending to 2008 levels, and hold the line as reasonably as possible to future increases. That, and refusing to release any further stimulus funds.

As to the primary giving us McCain, sure it did. But don't forget some shenanigans by Mccain and Huckabee, those stallwart moderates. Huckabee stayed in the campaign and refused to release his delegates in an effort to help give McCain the nomination.

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

How was Gore a bad candidate?
(I had no clue he was)

Gore did win the election but the Supremes appointed GW. (how can you not recall?)

Gore won the popular vote, but the presidency is decided in by the Electors, which Bush carried. How can you not recall?

Originally Posted by noonereal

Baby Boy was an immensely popular president??????

And still is, which is why the Dems have him out on the campaign trail.

Originally Posted by noonereal

It's like you and I are in opposite universes.
.

I'm in the universe that will be impacted by a significant and welcome shift back to the right by an energized electorate. Which universe are you in?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

"They read what they want to read..."

I said: "Bush Jr. was an immensely popular president, but the war was more the agenda than the economy in 2004..."

As to the primary giving us McCain, sure it did. But don't forget some shenanigans by Mccain and Huckabee, those stallwart moderates. Huckabee stayed in the campaign and refused to release his delegates in an effort to help give McCain the nomination.

If you look at the link I posted, Dubya derived whatever popularity he had from the (ill-fated) war(s). If it weren't for the wars, he'd have had virtually no support at all.

As for shenanigans, what goes around comes around. Wasn't it Dubya who trashed McCain in 2000 in the South Carolina primary with robo-calls saying that McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock? Classy fellow, that Dubya. It seems to me that ever since the Southern Strategy, the GOP has done a lot of shady stuff come election time.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If you look at the link I posted, Dubya derived whatever popularity he had from the (ill-fated) war(s). If it weren't for the wars, he'd have had virtually no support at all.

As for shenanigans, what goes around comes around. Wasn't it Dubya who trashed McCain in 2000 in the South Carolina primary with robo-calls saying that McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock? Classy fellow, that Dubya. It seems to me that ever since the Southern Strategy, the GOP has done a lot of shady stuff come election time.

He also had the audacity to attack McCains military record, which was an absolutely shamefull and appalling thing.

Of course the GOP has engaged in some "shady stuff", but we just let it slide because they are so "Biblical", you know, Christians being pure and forgiven and all. And hey, pretending it doesn't really happen might getcha a tiny tax break. So whatcha complainin' about?

Dave

[Kamakiri]

To bring this discussion full circle, I did decide to vote today. Know what did it?

One look at my paycheck that got deposited today. Will I affect it? Nope. But I think that deep down, I have to at least feel like I did something

[BlueStreak]

So you are working again, then?

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

I do recall and he won nothing. He was appointed.

This was about Bush boy not Clinton.

Yeah, you are definitely not from this universe because in this one that shit just fucks everyone but the elite.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Kamakiri

To bring this discussion full circle, I did decide to vote today.

Good stuff!!!!!

though I suspect your voted with your right hand.

still, it's good stuff.

We all need to voice our beliefs by voting in this great democratic process.

[Kamakiri]

Didn't vote yet. And no, not with my right hand, I decided that I'm going to simply vote every incumbent the hell out, whether Republican or Democrat. You can have the best engine in the world, but if it doesn't run, it isn't any damn good.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Kamakiri

Didn't vote yet. And no, not with my right hand, I decided that I'm going to simply vote every incumbent the hell out, whether Republican or Democrat. You can have the best engine in the world, but if it doesn't run, it isn't any damn good.

I think that will be many peoples approach.