Convince me to vote, someone.....

[Kamakiri]

I've been bombarded with flyers, phone calls, even stuff left under my wiper at Church (which appalled me).

Convince me that any vote that I could cast would make any difference, and that any elected official that I could possibly vote for on Tuesday will put more gas on my tank, more bread on my table, or benefit me, Joe Public, in any way shape or form.

Have at it

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Kamakiri

I've been bombarded with flyers, phone calls, even stuff left under my wiper at Church (which appalled me).

Convince me that any vote that I could cast would make any difference, and that any elected official that I could possibly vote for on Tuesday will put more gas on my tank, more bread on my table, or benefit me, Joe Public, in any way shape or form.

Have at it

Interesting, I also have received more flyers and stuff than I ever had for an other election. The cost has to be incredible.

[Grumpy]

Actually I have had less calls, but I'm sure thats going to ramp up tomorrow. Now printed lit I am being buried under here.

Not really sure whose up for re-election in your neck of the woods but I would guess its time for a new goobernator. If so, what do you think of your local libertarian or green party candidates ?

[BlueStreak]

I understand exactly how you feel, Man. I've found a few flyers on my porch when I get home from work, but that's about all. And it's all BS. Absolutely no substance at all anymore. Just the same old dried up promises and sickening negativity. I saw Goldens people campaigning in my sisters hood. He's an Independent that doesn't stand a snowballs chance. The other two are just the same old s**t---one (D) and one (R), both worthless, IMO.

My sister said something I though was profound tonight;

"I'm so tired of all of these people who still believe that when their party wins, it's a victory, as if any of this is final.
Every election is just a small battle in a war that never ends."

So true,
Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Kamakiri

I've been bombarded with flyers, phone calls, even stuff left under my wiper at Church (which appalled me).

Convince me that any vote that I could cast would make any difference, and that any elected official that I could possibly vote for on Tuesday will put more gas on my tank, more bread on my table, or benefit me, Joe Public, in any way shape or form.

Have at it

National elections are the one time every couple of years where people acting together make a choice. The more people who vote, the less likely it is that candidates on the fringe can be elected. You might not like any of the choices that you have on the ballot, but there are likely to differences between candidates you don't like. Just determine whether one of the options has a greater chance of screwing things up.

To me, party labels mean something. Very generally speaking the GOP is more in line with businesses and investors, while the dems are more in line with the working folks.

Even it the only choices I have are bad, I still want to own the choice, and not leave it for someone else to make.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Kamakiri]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Actually I have had less calls, but I'm sure thats going to ramp up tomorrow. Now printed lit I am being buried under here.

Not really sure whose up for re-election in your neck of the woods but I would guess its time for a new goobernator. If so, what do you think of your local libertarian or green party candidates ?

What do I think of them? Easy, a waste of a vote. In America, if you're not on a major party line, you're not going to get elected, plain and simple. The major party lines are the ones that have the cash flow and the exposure.

I came out of Church yesterday and there were 3 political flyers on my windshield. I found that totally appalling. One said, "which one shares our values?", and my first thought was, neither.....I don't recall bumping into either one of them at any of the services. I've got letters from the UAW telling me which candidates "we" support. I haven't been a member of the UAW since 2004.

And television ads? Here's how they all go. Open the ad with a black and white shot of the opponent and some music stolen from a dramatic scene in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Say something bad about the opponent. Next shot is a spinning newspaper zeroing in on a headline or two about the corruption and bad voting practices of the other guy. Short statement of something about change.

Switch to color shot of the "good guy" reviewing construction plans with a crew while wearing a hard hat. Next shot is same good guy sitting on a porch swing with a couple of geezers pretending to care about what they're saying. Another shot of candidate in front of a podium or shaking hands in a crowd.

End with an arty shot of a slowly waving American flag, with a picture of the candidate and the office they're running for.

Crooks, all of them.....

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Kamakiri

What do I think of them? Easy, a waste of a vote. In America, if you're not on a major party line, you're not going to get elected, plain and simple. The major party lines are the ones that have the cash flow and the exposure.

I came out of Church yesterday and there were 3 political flyers on my windshield. I found that totally appalling. One said, "which one shares our values?", and my first thought was, neither.....I don't recall bumping into either one of them at any of the services. I've got letters from the UAW telling me which candidates "we" support. I haven't been a member of the UAW since 2004.

And television ads? Here's how they all go. Open the ad with a black and white shot of the opponent and some music stolen from a dramatic scene in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Say something bad about the opponent. Next shot is a spinning newspaper zeroing in on a headline or two about the corruption and bad voting practices of the other guy. Short statement of something about change.

Switch to color shot of the "good guy" reviewing construction plans with a crew while wearing a hard hat. Next shot is same good guy sitting on a porch swing with a couple of geezers pretending to care about what they're saying. Another shot of candidate in front of a podium or shaking hands in a crowd.

End with an arty shot of a slowly waving American flag, with a picture of the candidate and the office they're running for.

Crooks, all of them.....

Why do you call someone a crook who spends millions of dollars for a hundred thousand dollar job?

[merrylander]

I realize that I only have one vote, but I would be royally pissed if my candidate lost by one vote because I stayed home. The only time in my life that I failed to vote was when I first came down here on an H1B or when I had my Green Card. Once they sanforized me I have never missed and I won't this time.

As to how I will vote it is quite simple; I am not independently wealthy but am of a reasonably sound mind, so I will go with the Democrats. Had the GOP had their way under George W. half of SS would be in the hands of the Wall Street barons and old people would be starving. Unfortunately they did get their way in other areas and so we are circling the bowl, come Wednesday we will likely be further down in the plumbing.

[Kamakiri]

Few truisms as I see them:

1. The United States of America will always exist. We will always have good and bad times, we will always have corrupt government (in varying degrees), and anyone who isn't swayed by any special interest does not live in the flesh.

2. America will never rise to economic prosperity until we install trade embargoes against nations like China. We shot ourselves in the foot. We forgave war payments, we gave away the Panama Canal, then Gitmo, and we rebuild what we bomb. And people are so damned surprised that when we act like Gandhi, we end up dressing like him too....except our "single piece of homespun" was bought at Wal Mart and made in China.

3. The only drastic changes that will take place are when people are brought to the edge of poverty and starvation. Even the Tea Party movement is a lot of hot air IMO. Why? Because there's so much good and bad press floating around that NOBODY CARES. We've been as a people shocked into numbness by everything. We have no idea what to believe, so we believe none of it, and don't give a damn. Americans vote for the candidate that looks stronger, and has a touch of Morton Downey Jr feistyness in them......as long as they don't smoke like he did, heaven forbid.

4. People have been talking about troubled times for thousands of years. We're all going to get old and gray, and no matter what happens, we'll make it there. Broke and/or hungry, maybe, but we will.

5. True change and reform will only happen the same way that the founders of this country did it.....they got pissed off enough to take up arms and take the country back. Nobody's that mad right now.

Still ain't voting

[merrylander]

As long as you believe the first point and do not believe that there is no such thing as a "thinking free market" there will always be boom and bust for the very simple reason that despite how many people attend service of a Sunday greed will always be with us.

Then don't bitch about the results.