Murderous GOP Rhetoric Kills Mother Of Nine

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

>yawn< Way to miss the point, dipshit.

Didn't miss a damn thing, douchebag. You didn't like the op/ed CNN piece, so I provided a full investigative journalism report. You don't like it? Too freakin' bad.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Just patriotic Americans exercising their first amendment rights, eh?

The first time one of the white guy Jan 6th crowd commited an act of vandalsim on the Capitol building they should have been shot. Just like you wanted the black guy vandals at one of the George Floyd demonstratiins shot after breaking into an electronics store.

You fucking racist hypocrite.

1) Please post for me any comments I made about shooting George Floyd rioters.

2) Your comment: "The first time one of the white guy Jan 6th crowd commited an act of vandalsim on the Capitol building they should have been shot." Damn, you really are a Stalinist, aren't you?

3) Your comment "Just patriotic Americans exercising their First Amendment rights, eh?" Yep, the vast majority of them were. Estimates of crowd size on Jan 6 was all over the place. Capital Police put the number at about 80,000, rally organizers said they anticipated about 30,000. If you take the smaller number of 30,000, and compare that to the 700 arrests made that day, that suggests that less than 2.5% of the crowd was problematic that day. That also means that 97.5% of the crowd was peaceful.

[Rajoo]

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

1)I also stated that the shooter was anti-cop. Show me where, in "right-wing ideology", that anti-cop sentiment is found.

The armed standoff and takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by the Bundy family. And the universal support for the Bundy family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

The armed standoff at Ruby Ridge and the universal support for the Weaver family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

The Waco firefight where the DOJ was vilified by Republicans and Republican politicians for trying to rescue sexually abused minor children from the Branch Davidians.

The Montana Freemen Standoff
The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord Standoff
The Rise of the Moors, Wakefield Standoff
The Three Percenters
The Hutaree
The Michigan Militia
The Militia of Montana
The Missouri Militia
The New York Lightfoot Militia

All anti-law enforcement heroes of todays GOP and Republican voters all across the fruited plain, from sea to shining sea.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The armed standoff and takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by the Bundy family. And the universal support for the Bundy family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

The armed standoff at Ruby Ridge and the universal support for the Weaver family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

The Waco firefight where the DOJ was vilified by Republicans and Republican politicians for trying to rescue sexually abused minor children from the Branch Davidians.

The Montana Freemen Standoff
The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord Standoff
The Rise of the Moors, Wakefield Standoff
The Three Percenters
The Hutaree
The Michigan Militia
The Militia of Montana
The Missouri Militia
The New York Lightfoot Militia

All anti-law enforcement heroes of todays GOP and Republican voters all across the fruited plain, from sea to shining sea.

Whell knows all of this fully well. But as a MAGA cultist and sociopath, he’ll never let facts get in the way of his misguided beliefs. Sad.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

That also means that 97.5% of the crowd was peaceful.

Which means every fucking one of them is an anti-democracy asshole who supports the big lie. If they weren't, they wouldnt have been there. They're all scum. And 2,500 of them committed criminal trespass on the Capitol Building. Making them criminal scum.

Patriotic Americans, my ass.

And the California retail shop shooter is just another right-wing, bigot, racist, and in this case...homicidal MAGAt.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The armed standoff and takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by the Bundy family. And the universal support for the Bundy family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

You're full of shit on this one. Elected representatives of both parties condemned the occupation.

Oregon Representative Cliff Bentz, who represents the region in the Oregon House of Representatives, said that the outside groups do not represent Burns or Harney County, explaining, "They're trying to use the misfortune of the Hammonds to further the interests of the Bundys."[48]

U.S. Representative Greg Walden from Oregon said in his speech on the floor of the House that "I am not condoning this takeover in any way. I want to make that clear. I don't think it is appropriate. There is a right to protest. I think they have gone too far. But I understand and hear their anger."[49]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The armed standoff at Ruby Ridge and the universal support for the Weaver family by Republicans and Republican politicians.

Wrong again. There wasn't "universal support for the Weaver family", though what happened to them was tragic. The criticism was about the FBI and DOJ's performance on that day and the months that followed. A clerical error on a notice to appear in court - which specified an incorrect date for Weaver's appearance - led to an FBI raid that killed and wounded members of the Weaver family. It never should have happened. Even subsequent DOJ investigations found a multitude of issues with the FBI's handling of events related to the Weaver case. Louis Freeh took a lot of heat for being tone-deaf enough to promote the guy who oversaw the raid to Assist. FBI Director. Get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The Waco firefight where the DOJ was vilified by Republicans and Republican politicians for trying to rescue sexually abused minor children from the Branch Davidians.

Give me an f'ing break. Are you saying that what happened in Waco was justice, and above or exempt from criticism? Let's save the kids by gassing them and burning them to death? Are you suggesting that was OK?

What an imbecile and leftist stooge you are.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

1) If you take the smaller number of 30,000, and compare that to the 700 arrests made that day, that suggests that less than 2.5% of the crowd was problematic that day. That also means that 97.5% of the crowd was peaceful.

So you're implying that the Capitol police only arrested 700 perps because the other rioters 29,300 were "peaceful"? Is that what you're saying? Do you have proof of this? Or is that some supposition you pulled outta your ass? I'll wait.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

You're full of shit on this one. Elected representatives of both parties condemned the occupation.

Oregon Representative Cliff Bentz, who represents the region in the Oregon House of Representatives, said that the outside groups do not represent Burns or Harney County, explaining, "They're trying to use the misfortune of the Hammonds to further the interests of the Bundys."[48]

U.S. Representative Greg Walden from Oregon said in his speech on the floor of the House that "I am not condoning this takeover in any way. I want to make that clear. I don't think it is appropriate. There is a right to protest. I think they have gone too far. But I understand and hear their anger."[49]



Wrong again. There wasn't "universal support for the Weaver family", though what happened to them was tragic. The criticism was about the FBI and DOJ's performance on that day and the months that followed. A clerical error on a notice to appear in court - which specified an incorrect date for Weaver's appearance - led to an FBI raid that killed and wounded members of the Weaver family. It never should have happened. Even subsequent DOJ investigations found a multitude of issues with the FBI's handling of events related to the Weaver case. Louis Freeh took a lot of heat for being tone-deaf enough to promote the guy who oversaw the raid to Assist. FBI Director. Get your facts straight.



Give me an f'ing break. Are you saying that what happened in Waco was justice, and above or exempt from criticism? Let's save the kids by gassing them and burning them to death? Are you suggesting that was OK?

Oh my, you found two seditionist House Republicans who say they dont support domestic terrorist militia groups. Do I believe what spews forth from their festering pieholes? I do not.

So...you are wrong on all of this.

And specifically regarding Waco...the Branch Davidian kids all died because of their parents and David Koresh. And they were sexually abused because of their parents and David Koresh. Also, arson investigators determined that the fire was started by members of the cult so the parents killed their own kids, and they knew they would be killing the kids when they started it. You lying sack of shit.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

3) Your comment "Just patriotic Americans exercising their First Amendment rights, eh?" Yep, the vast majority of them were. Estimates of crowd size on Jan 6 was all over the place. Capital Police put the number at about 80,000, rally organizers said they anticipated about 30,000. If you take the smaller number of 30,000, and compare that to the 700 arrests made that day, that suggests that less than 2.5% of the crowd was problematic that day. That also means that 97.5% of the crowd was peaceful.

So, in the very same thread in which you're disputing that conservative rhetoric spurs domestic violence/crime, you concede that 700 people were arrested for criminal activity (and violence including seditious conspiracy) spurred on by Trump's rhetoric (actually the number is 1,100 and counting). LOL.

Also, in your denial of conservative rhetoric's influence upon the homophobic murder in CA, you're also as much as conceding that it is a case of stochastic terrorism (defined as an act of politically motivated violence that is not directly incited or ordered, and that cannot be predicted but that becomes statistically likely when a large enough population is exposed to rhetoric that demonizes a person or group). The fact that there is no direct evidence tying this particular murderer to a specific example of conservative rhetoric doesn't disprove anything. It simply provides yet another likely example (as if we needed one) that conservative rhetoric can and does spur political violence.

Data maintained by the FBI clearly shows that domestic terrorism is predominately perpetrated by right wing extremists (studies show ~75% murders committed by extremists are attributable to right wing extremism). Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths. Right wing extremist attacks increased by 320% over the past five years in North America, Western Europe, and Oceania, the 2019 Global Terrorism Index reports.

You still haven't answered my question as to why this is so and why conservative and Evangelical leaders do not take action to combat the problem (as they demand of Muslim imams after an attack by Islamic terrorists). Please respond to this before continuing on your whine fest.