Is Today's Trumpist GOP Fascist?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

What a lying sack of crap you are.

https://apnews.com/article/moms-for-...70030ccd710512

By Thursday morning, the chapter had removed those versions and posted its new copy of the newsletter, replacing the Hitler quote with the chair’s apology.

For context, this is one newsletter from one chapter of a growing and very decentralized organization. You're using the relatively benign act (to the extent that the person who added that quote to the newsletter didn't know where it came from) of one or a few folks in one local chapter to paint and entire group.

Lying and intellectually dishonest in one post. I'm sure you're quite proud.

Audience cheers after "Moms for Liberty" co-founder Tiffany Justice noted that a member had quoted Hitler in a newsletter. "I stand with that mom," she bragged to applause.

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/st...uzbRFbz2t2XyOg

I guess I cannot believe my own lying eyes.

Also, with regard to them deleting it, they waited several days after first leaving the quote on the newsletter and simply adding context.

https://apnews.com/article/moms-for-...0030ccd710512#

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Whell is faced with the imminent indictment of his Dear Leader ....

More lying and strawman fallacies are on display. Nice touch.

As far as the false elector charges, if they broke the law then they need to pay the price. It's that simple. So, we'll see where this goes.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Audience cheers after "Moms for Liberty" co-founder Tiffany Justice noted that a member had quoted Hitler in a newsletter. "I stand with that mom," she bragged to applause.

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/st...uzbRFbz2t2XyOg

I guess I cannot believe my own lying eyes.

Also, with regard to them deleting it, they waited several days after first leaving the quote on the newsletter and simply adding context.

https://apnews.com/article/moms-for-...0030ccd710512#

To my point above, you found an article with a quote who uses logical fallacies just like you do:

“It’s disappointing, but not surprising, that the largest anti-student inclusion movement organization has allegedly used a quote from one of the appalling figureheads in history,” said Rachel Carroll Rivas, deputy director of research, reporting and analysis for the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center labeled Moms for Liberty as an “anti-government extremist” group in its 2022 annual report.

Right on, Finn. Tar and feather a very decentralized group whose motives you happen to disagree with by highlighting the actions of a few. Way to go, man!

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Above everything else, Trump supporters are bigots who hate all the same people that Trump hates.

Or maybe you're so comfortable with and jaded by your own hate that you assume everyone else hates just like you do.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It's undeniable that modern liberalism mirrors many central elements of the early 20th-century fascist and communist regimes. To build the "GOP is fascist" trope, the left has focused on the personal characteristics of those regimes' leaders.

What this focus ignores, maybe quite purposefully, is the move toward increasing the political power of elites and centralization of government power at the expense of individual freedom and rights. BOTH major parties in the US are responsible for allowing this to happen.

More obfuscation from you in an effort to deny the current GOP descent into fascism. Your ignorance of history overlooks the fact that loads of Americans of all stripes supported fascism or communism during the Great Depression. Indeed Hitler drew significant inspiration from earlier American writings on eugenics.

Also I guess you missed the Dear Leader recently announced plans to consolidate power in the presidency if he wins, not to mention the news of indictments of your fellow travelers in Michigan (and the pending indictment of Trump) for their respective roles in the coup attempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/u...lans-2025.html

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

To my point above, you found an article with a quote who uses logical fallacies just like you do:

“It’s disappointing, but not surprising, that the largest anti-student inclusion movement organization has allegedly used a quote from one of the appalling figureheads in history,” said Rachel Carroll Rivas, deputy director of research, reporting and analysis for the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center labeled Moms for Liberty as an “anti-government extremist” group in its 2022 annual report.

Right on, Finn. Tar and feather a very decentralized group whose motives you happen to disagree with by highlighting the actions of a few. Way to go, man!

“I stand with that Mom” was a direct quote from the co-founder referring to the Mom who quoted Hitler.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

More obfuscation from you in an effort to deny the current GOP descent into fascism. Your ignorance of history overlooks the fact that loads of Americans of all stripes supported fascism or communism during the Great Depression. Indeed Hitler drew significant inspiration from American writings on eugenics.

Also I guess you missed the Dear Leader recently announced plans to consolidate power in the presidency if he wins.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/u...lans-2025.html

Y'know...the way things are going with the Legislative and Judicial branches of this government (most of it due to gaping chasms in The Constitution), a chief executive with more power may be what this country needs.

The problem of course is, ending up with an autocrat and sociopathic grifter like we had for four years in the office...and with the The Constitution we have there are obviously no fucking guarantees that we wouldn't end up with a chief executive like that, and with The Constitution we have, someone like that who will go destructively rampaging all over our democratic norms for their own personal gain and sick fucking emotional gratification.

I obviously just don't trust the once celebrated underpinnings of this democracy anymore.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

More obfuscation from you in an effort to deny the current GOP descent into fascism. Your ignorance of history overlooks the fact that loads of Americans of all stripes supported fascism or communism during the Great Depression. Indeed Hitler drew significant inspiration from earlier American writings on eugenics.

Also I guess you missed the Dear Leader recently announced plans to consolidate power in the presidency if he wins, not to mention the news of indictments of your fellow travelers in Michigan (and the pending indictment of Trump) for their respective roles in the coup attempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/u...lans-2025.html

Poor debate tactic 1: refer to facts provided by your debate opponent as "obfuscation". As you're fond of saying, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not true.

As far as my "ignorance of history", get a clue. In fact, one of Hitler's biggest and earliest fanboys and an alleged anti-semite was none other than Henry Ford. Check this out. And yes, Henry Ford was a Democrat, but he happened to be suspicious of Roosevelt.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

More lying and strawman fallacies are on display. Nice touch.

As far as the false elector charges, if they broke the law then they need to pay the price. It's that simple. So, we'll see where this goes.

Where is the lie that Dear Leader is likely to be indicted again soon? He said it himself.

As for the fake elector scheme, these were not just some random people. They were leaders of the Michigan GOP (one was also a very close friend of the RNC Chair Ronna MsDaniel) in close coordination with Trump attorneys Kenneth Chesebro and Rudy Guiliani.

And Michigan was not the only state where GOP officials were involved in the coup conspiracy. The 84 people from 7 key states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) who signed bogus documents claiming that Donald Trump won the 2020 election include dozens of local Republican Party leaders, four current candidates for public office, six current office holders and at least five previous state and federal office holders.

https://www.azmirror.com/2022/06/29/...the-full-list/

In short, authoritarianism is deeply embedded within the leadership ranks of the Trump GOP.


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[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by finnbow

More obfuscation from you in an effort to deny the current GOP descent into fascism. Your ignorance of history overlooks the fact that loads of Americans of all stripes supported fascism or communism during the Great Depression. Indeed Hitler drew significant inspiration from earlier American writings on eugenics.

Man, that guy is a fount of Reich-wing talking points, narratives and beliefs. Also a great shoveler of bovine produced fertilizer. As they say, every accusation is a confession. He is consistent though. Predictable, but consistent. We almost know what his replies will be before he writes them.