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07-13-2023, 10:06 AM
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LOL. The topic wasn't even economics. It was Trump's (proto)fascism. Once it became obvious that you lost the argument about Trump's (proto)fascism, you brought up Friedrich Hayek. And you accuse me of changing the subject. LOL. No matter. For the record, you lost both arguments.
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You're lying again. The topic switched to economics when you accused me of not understanding the bullshit nuances of socializt eupemisms, which evolved from your use of a term that you have yet to define (semi-facist) which you lied about using.
For the record, the most recent instance I can find of someone notable using the term (semi-fascist) is Biden. So, now I guess I know where you got the term from. Too bad you don't have access to Biden to have him or his handlers tell you what the term means.
For the record, you're right. I can't win an argument against someone who keeps lying about their own posts.
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07-13-2023, 10:38 AM
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A Semi-Fascist is someone who has not yet fully adopted the Nazi salute.
Here is a picture that explains it. The hand gesture does not look sincere, wimpish actually.
Here is Trump trying to mimic Hitler and he too is failing. His tie needs to be cut in half.
Trump in a suit does not have the stage presence like Hitler in a real uniform. Wonder what a MAGA uniform will look like.
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07-13-2023, 10:46 AM
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This is even worse.
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07-13-2023, 11:37 AM
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A Semi-Fascist is someone who has not yet fully adopted the Nazi salute.
Here is a picture that explains it. The hand gesture does not look sincere, wimpish actually.
Here is Trump trying to mimic Hitler and he too is failing. His tie needs to be cut in half.
Trump in a suit does not have the stage presence like Hitler in a real uniform. Wonder what a MAGA uniform will look like.
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Looks like something that anyone can do:
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07-13-2023, 12:52 PM
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You're lying again. The topic switched to economics when you accused me of not understanding the bullshit nuances of socializt eupemisms, which evolved from your use of a term that you have yet to define (semi-facist) which you lied about using...
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Two things. You proved conclusively that you don't understand the difference between soci@lism and democratic soci@lism. That's now settled.
Secondly, I have used the term protofascism for months now and I provided you an article in Encyclopedia Britannica that showed that protofascism is indeed an ideology that also goes by the name semi-fascism. The article also stated that many renowned historians believe Trump to be a protofascist.
If you are truly interested in reading the parallels between Trump and Mussolini (the first fascist and coiner of the term itself), read this article citing the concerns of a number distinguished historians and the parallels to Mussolini (and this was before the Big Lie and Jan. 6, which cemented Trump's deserved reputation as a (proto)fascist).
https://www.businessinsider.com/hist...ssolini-2020-9
I can't help it if you feel compelled to defend Trump from rightful charges of (proto)fascism. That's your choice. Also I haven't said you're stupid for doing so (though it helps). Smart people are also attracted to the allure of fascism. Josef Goebbels had a PhD in history from the oldest and most prestigious university in Germany, after all.
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07-13-2023, 01:10 PM
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He calls the Democratic Party the Democrat Party as well as soci@list (both incorrect), but bristles at MAGA being called (proto)fascist (a true assertion). Dude lives in Bizarro World.
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That sort of thing happens when you've been radicalized
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07-13-2023, 01:15 PM
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Looks like something that anyone can do:

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Not surprised that you can't tell the difference. Subtleties are often lost on the radicalized.
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07-13-2023, 02:56 PM
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Two things. You proved conclusively that you don't understand the difference between soci@lism and democratic soci@lism.
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Bullshit. I just don't agree with your simplistic, euphemistic definition.
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Secondly, I have used the term protofascism for months now and I provided you an article in Encyclopedia Britannica that showed that protofascism is indeed an ideology that also goes by the name semi-fascism. The article also stated that many renowned historians believe Trump to be a protofascist.
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I don't care what term you've used for months. You asked me a direct question:
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Are you really ready to argue that extreme elements of the MAGA movement aren't at least semi-fascist?
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I've since repeatedly asked you to define the term you used, and I also asked for examples of who you believe these "semi-fascists" are. You've avoided answering these questions, then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
So, do one of the following or shut up and stop embarrassing yourself:
- Define what you and/or Biden mean when you use the term "semi-fascist".
- Admit that you were riffing on Biden and the term has no objective meaning.
- Admit that you want to talk about Trump all the time, 24/7, 365. This would at least match up with your constant mindless posts which are mostly copy/paste exercises from elsewhere in the lefty blogosphere, and put your question above in the correct context.
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I can't help it if you feel compelled to defend Trump from rightful charges of (proto)fascism. That's your choice. Also I haven't said you're stupid for doing so (though it helps). Smart people are also attracted to the allure of fascism. Josef Goebbels had a PhD in history from the oldest and most prestigious university in Germany, after all.
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Sure. And Putin has a Ph.D in Economics. I guess the smart folks are also attracted by the allure of socializm/communism.
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07-13-2023, 03:16 PM
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Dana Milbank: “To call a person who endorses violence against the duly elected government a ‘Republican’ is itself Orwellian. More accurate words exist for such a person. One of them is ‘fascist.’”
Fascists/Semi-Fascists:
First and foremost Trump.
Ron DeSantis
Gregg Abbot
Gym Jordan
Matt Goest wants Russia to be invited to join NATO
MTG
Louis Gohmert
Paul Gosar
Tommy Tubes
Trump Junior
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07-13-2023, 03:43 PM
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Bullshit. I just don't agree with your simplistic, euphemistic definition.
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It wasn't my definition. It was the definition provided by the Oxford English Language Dictionary. Don't like it? Take it up with them. While you're at it, you may wish to check out their definition for euphemism as you don't seem to know what it means either.
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I've since repeatedly asked you to define the term you used, and I also asked for examples of who you believe these "semi-fascists" are. You've avoided answering these questions, then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
So, do one of the following or shut up and stop embarrassing yourself:
- Define what you and/or Biden mean when you use the term "semi-fascist".
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WTF? I provided you an informative article from Encyclopedia Britannica that defined and explained protofascism (which they said was also known by the term semi-fascism). Don't like it? Take it up with them. If you don't like their definition pull up the Google search results and dive in. In addition to Britannica, Merriam-Webster and Wikipedia also provide definitions- take your pick. For that matter, there are entire books on the subject. Here's one and here's another.
Once again, just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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- Admit that you were riffing on Biden and the term has no objective meaning.
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It has an objective meaning (see above) and I used the word protofascist long before Biden correctly used the term to describe "extreme MAGA" folks.
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- Admit that you want to talk about Trump all the time, 24/7, 365.
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Schadenfreude is a powerful force and I revel in watching your Dear Leader finally getting his comeuppance for a life of crime and for the damage he did to our country. Besides, he is the leading GOP candidate for the presidency and he happens to be under indictment for 71 felonies (with almost certainly many more to come). This is a political forum and I'd say that this is one of the most newsworthy stories in the history of the republic. Don't like it? Tell Trump to cop a plea and fade away.
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Sure. And Putin has a Ph.D in Economics. I guess the smart folks are also attracted by the allure of socializm/communism.
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Two things. He purchased and/or plagiarized his thesis. Also, it is not leftists attracted to Putin. It's the MAGA crowd as Putin is no longer a communist, but a fascist/authoritarian. Hence the appeal of Putin to Trump and the MAGA crowd.
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