Another Mass Shooting in the Good Ol' USA

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

OK by me.

Shooting have a pattern? Yes, they involve a gun.

Shooters have a pattern? Yes, they us a gun.

So what is the common denominator? Gun.

Solution: Get rid of guns.

Getting rid of all guns would be as likely to happen as TFG becoming a decent human being. I suggest we follow the path of other nations not awash in gun violence. One of the things they've determined is that certain firearms should not be owned by civilians. No need to reinvent the wheel.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Hmmm...how would you feel about talk of 'scary-looking regulation' and 'current gun-ownership frenzy?'

We are agreeing that a good definition of what weapons should be more regulated is wanted. Do you have specific suggestions to improve on "high capacity/rapid fire?"

It needs to be the capacities and functional modifications, think bump stocks as an example not the cosmetics, most of the cosmetics have nothing to do with the capabilities.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

It needs to be the capacities and functional modifications, think bump stocks as an example not the cosmetics, most of the cosmetics have nothing to do with the capabilities.

True enough, but they are a pretty clear indicator of the fetishization of guns in our culture. The same urge that compels someone to trick out a 10/22 to make it appear like weapon of war compels many to buy an AR-15 - they look bad ass and give you a feeling of unbridled power when you blaze through a 30 round magazine while conjuring up the images of all the bogeymen that Fox News tells you are threatening 'Murica.

Think about it. The "range Rambo's" aren't the ones shooting muzzleloaders, single-shot or bolt-action rifles. They're the ones cosplaying Marines or Special Forces while thinking they're doing their patriotic duty holding the forces of tyranny at bay by sending out Christmas cards of the entire families fondling AR-15's.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by finnbow

True enough, but they are a pretty clear indicator of the fetishization of guns in our culture. The same urge that compels someone to trick out a 10/22 to make it appear like weapon of war compels many to buy an AR-15 - they look bad ass and give you a feeling of unbridled power when you blaze through a 30 round magazine while conjuring up the image of all the bogeymen that threaten you.

For many but not all.

I collect "guns of war" OMG... but other than my HK91 and AR they are all bolt action, single shot and a few front stuffers.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

For many but not all.

I collect "guns of war" OMG... but other than my HK91 and AR they are all bolt action, single shot and a few front stuffers.

OK, but there's no argument against the fact that there has been a fetishization of the AR-15 among those who buy into the argument that owning such guns is essential to keep America "free."

[GChief]

Originally Posted by finnbow

OK, but there's no argument against the fact that there has been a fetishization of the AR-15 among those who buy into the argument that owning such guns is essential to keep America "free."

And none of the morons I am around everyday that think this way would go into a school with ill intent. That said you never know for sure, but I am pretty sure every school shooter had warning signs before hand that were not acted upon.

Again... I am all for common sense controls, red flag laws, mental health professionals, teachers, LOE etc being able to report so a background check will not be "passed".

But at the end of the day a gun is not squeezing its own trigger , its the person attached to the finger.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by GChief

But at the end of the day a gun is not squeezing its own trigger , its the person attached to the finger.

And if there is no trigger to squeeze, it does not matter what a persons finger is doing.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by barbara

And if there is no trigger to squeeze, it does not matter what a persons finger is doing.

But that is a pipe dream at best so lets work on reality. That will accomplish more.

Neither team will compromise... we will never get anywhere because of it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Getting rid of all guns would be as likely to happen as TFG becoming a decent human being. I suggest we follow the path of other nations not awash in gun violence. One of the things they've determined is that certain firearms should not be owned by civilians. No need to reinvent the wheel.

It was a knee jerk reaction to his "lets solve one problem at a time" and I made it into a single problem/solution.

We all know that the 2A has been misinterpreted to a point of being illogical and doubt very much anything will be done. Yet the current SCOTUS re-interpreted the constitution regarding abortion after 50 years, so one can hope a future SCOTUS will offer a literal interpretation of the Second, perhaps after a second Civil War and the country breaks into two.

[barbara]

GChief, I am not advocating getting rid of all guns. In fact, I have not heard of anyone advocating for that. From what you have written it seems to me you have an all or nothing viewpoint. Perhaps I am wrong but that is how I read your words.