Another Mass Shooting in the Good Ol' USA

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

More bullshit. It is different. Your contention is that "reasonable gun control laws" - which is a nice euphemism that lacks any specifics - is the solution.

Idiocy, and intellectually lazy. Guns have been with us for years, and have always been accompanied by the left's desire to limit access to them. The left has always maintained that "getting guns off the streets" will reduce violent crime.

You specifically said: "BTW, the root cause of the problem is the number and availability of guns in the US." Well, you have stated that you own firearms. By your own definition of "root cause", the desire to commit a violent crime should be irresistible to you, since guns are available to you and you're among the owners of those "too many guns".

You'll reject that argument because you've never used your guns in the commission of a crime. Fair enough. But what is it that keeps you from using your gun to commit a crime if it's not that you own one of the too many guns? Could it be....gasp...the person that you are that would keep you from a life of a gun-wielding criminal?

The fact is that violent crimes have been trending downward for years despite the Fed's inability to pass laws banning access to certain types of guns, and despite your contention that "the root cause of the problem is the number and availability of guns in the US".

Yes, mass shootings have been on the rise, but:

- Not all of these shootings have involved 'assault weapons".
- The shooter in the most recent example slipped through existing regs.
- Mass shootings have also occurred in jurisdictions with the strictest gun control laws.

So yes, taking Federal action to reduce mass shootings - when that action is highly unlikely to solve the problem - while simultaneously making firearms harder to acquire, is idiocy.

Throwing around terms like 'bullshit' and 'idiocy' is uncivil and suggests that the cheap gratification of hurling insults is a main motivation for you. This tends to cancel any motivation on my part to engage your argument, because it strongly indicates that you will not take my points seriously.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

More bullshit. It is different. Your contention is that "reasonable gun control laws" - which is a nice euphemism that lacks any specifics - is the solution.

Idiocy, and intellectually lazy. Guns have been with us for years, and have always been accompanied by the left's desire to limit access to them. The left has always maintained that "getting guns off the streets" will reduce violent crime.

Then how do you explain this?

[RickeyM]

That guy sounds like he's on the NRA payroll. J/K, he's just a shill for the ones that are on the NRA's payroll

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Throwing around terms like 'bullshit' and 'idiocy' is uncivil and suggests that the cheap gratification of hurling insults is a main motivation for you.

You're priceless. I've been called every name in the book by many on this forum, and incivility reigns. That includes you when you've told me once or twice to "shut the f*ck up." Knock off the hypocrisy.

[Rajoo]

This is the usual fright wing ploy, deflect.
Firearms are the leading cause of death among children in the US and schools are resembling prisons with children worried more about their life and safety than their education.

Yet for the fright wing, guns are not the problem while no other country has this problem. What's next? Everyone needs to carry an AR-15 with them everywhere in public? Remember seeing a picture of a woman with an assault rifle walking through Dallas (?) airport.

Look at the bright side. Very few people will be flying and we will all get free upgrades to First/Business class.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Then how do you explain this?

You still haven't answered my question. How do you explain this:



And this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

If your cited graph is to be believed, then we Americans should be shooting and killing each other with extreme frequency. All these guns should be driving murder rates in the US that far outpace any other country.

Except that's not reality. The United States has an unacceptable murder rate by any measure, but we're nowhere near the top of the heap for murder rates:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ate-by-country

You might suggest that its not all about murders. All these guns must increase the rate of violent crime, and the United States with all our guns must be leading the world in violent crime, right? Nope:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

How do you explain the disparity between the premise that more guns = more crime and the reality that the US is nowhere near the top of the heap in violent crimes or murders?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Yet for the fright wing, guns are not the problem while no other country has this problem.

Untrue. See above.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

You're priceless. I've been called every name in the book by many on this forum, and incivility reigns. That includes you when you've told me once or twice to "shut the f*ck up." Knock off the hypocrisy.

See, your trolling has even gotten to me on occasion. Assuming your memory is correct--I don't recall myself. But I think there is a reason 'incivility reigns' here, and I think I'm talking to it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Untrue. See above.

Guns are not the leading cause of death in children here in the US?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Guns are not the leading cause of death in children here in the US?

At least they're safe from queers and historical facts.