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[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry to confuse you with the facts. I too know what I see traveling the backroads of Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky and southern Indiana. Confederate flags are common in all of these non-Confederate states.

Hell, your Dear Leader, born and raised in NYC, came out four-square in favor of the Confederate battle flag and Mitch McConnell, from a non-Confederate state, famously posed in front of the Confederate battle flag.

You're the one who's confused, my obstinant friend. MD and PA are blue states, not Trump country. What are the fascist Dems in those states doing with a Confederate flag?

Kentucky started the Civil War attempting to remain neutral but when the Confederacy pissed them off they aligned with the Union for protection. The citizen's loyalties were decidedly split, so I'd hardly call it a "Union" state.

Also, I was referring to what I've seen in MI. I also travel through OH quite a bit. As I said, can't say I've never seen one, but it certainly isn't a common sight in either state.

[RickeyM]

"the fascist Dems in those states"? I guess those are different from the regular Dems?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You're the one who's confused, my obstinant friend. MD and PA are blue states, not Trump country. What are the fascist Dems in those states doing with a Confederate flag?

Kentucky started the Civil War attempting to remain neutral but when the Confederacy pissed them off they aligned with the Union for protection. The citizen's loyalties were decidedly split, so I'd hardly call it a "Union" state.

Also, I was referring to what I've seen in MI. I also travel through OH quite a bit. As I said, can't say I've never seen one, but it certainly isn't a common sight in either state.

You're again showing how little you know. First, while MD is overall a blue state, Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore are both ruby red (Allegheny County voted 77% for Trump). As for Pennsylvania, it's a purple state with the only blue being Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg and State College . Other than that, it's also ruby red (Potter County voted 80% for Trump). And Michigan was more blue than Pennsylvania in 2020 (though Trump and his cult still claim to have won both states).



As for Kentucky, I didn't once call it a Union state. I called it a non-Confederate state (i.e., it was not in the Confederacy). The same applies to Maryland, FWIW.

Regardless of the nits you're trying to pick, the fact remains that the Stars and Bars are flown in a lot of places outside of the old Confederacy by angry, ignorant MAGA types. Do a Google search on "confederate flag Pennsylvania" and you'll see that wingnuts fly the flag all over the state to the consternation of many of its citizens. I'm OK with it as I don't mind people self-identifying as knuckle-dragging idiots (same goes for MAGA hats).

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by whell

I know a few non-whack-job-leftist Democrats who would disagree as well.

Trump is no longer in office and he's not on the ballot. Here in MI, a not-quite-blue state with two Dem Senators and a Dem governor, his support has fallen far since 2016. Its not that different in many other blue and sorta blue states, and even some red states.

But Trump has you so traumatized that two years hence from his exit from office you still won't put the flag out on Memorial Day? As if Memorial Day or Labor Day or July 4th, or Veterans Day is about Trump?

Sheesh!

The hypernationalism associated with him is still a presence with which I refuse to associate myself. The maga movement hijacked patriotic expression as branding, thnx to the cooperation of a significant minority and quirk of the political system.
I did not know or identify with "patriotism" until his ascendancy showed me it's antithesis.
In what sort of "free state" is compulsory loyalty extortion by peer pressure necessary? At a public event as a price of attendance? Allegiance should be voluntary by attraction, not as a loyalty oath compelled by populist extortion.
Respect is a two way street that is earned, not compelled by force.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by whell

California went from the passage of Prop 187 with a 17-point margin in 1994 to Senate Bill 54 just a few years ago. Hell, it's now a crime in California to report a violation of immigration law in CA. CA's far left-leaning legislature continues to offer up regulations that make the state more accommodating.

Because of this shift, CA has been building a house on sand with their budget. Undocumented workers contribute an estimated $3.7 Billion to the state's coffers. That's an amount that has doubled over the past several years. With 1 in 16 workers in CA being undocumented, it would likely be significant harm to California's economy if there was proactive enforcement of immigration laws.

If you're in favor of enforcing immigration law in CA, probably best not to expend energy complaining when you know it will fall on deaf ears.

That is absolutely not true.

The truth is that the crime of extortion by Fear now includes threatening "To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected immigration status."

CHAPTER 7. Extortion [518 - 527] ( Chapter 7 enacted 1872. )

519.
Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a threat of any of the following:
1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual threatened or of a third person.
2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or her, or a member of his or her family, of a crime.
3. To expose, or to impute to him, her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or crime.
4. To expose a secret affecting him, her, or them.
5. To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected immigration status.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Mark B

That is absolutely not true.

The truth is that the crime of extortion by Fear now includes threatening "To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected immigration status."

CHAPTER 7. Extortion [518 - 527] ( Chapter 7 enacted 1872. )

519.
Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a threat of any of the following:
1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual threatened or of a third person.
2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or her, or a member of his or her family, of a crime.
3. To expose, or to impute to him, her, or them a deformity, disgrace, or crime.
4. To expose a secret affecting him, her, or them.
5. To report his, her, or their immigration status or suspected immigration status.

Facts versus...

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're again showing how little you know. First, while MD is overall a blue state, Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore are both ruby red (Allegheny County voted 77% for Trump). As for Pennsylvania, it's a purple state with the only blue being Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg and State College . Other than that, it's also ruby red (Potter County voted 80% for Trump). And Michigan was more blue than Pennsylvania in 2020 (though Trump and his cult still claim to have won both states).

As for Kentucky, I didn't once call it a Union state. I called it a non-Confederate state (i.e., it was not in the Confederacy). The same applies to Maryland, FWIW.

Regardless of the nits you're trying to pick...

You're so not self-aware! Ruby red? LOL!

The "blue/red" election map changes over time, and really isn't anything more than a generalized graphic representation of election results that's easy for the TV viewer to follow. Some states that 20 years ago voted reliably Repub are now Blue and vice versa.

The fact remains that in the most recent election, states like PA and MD were blue states. Period.



I don't doubt you about what you've seen on your national tour on the hunt for Confederate flags. My only point was that here in MI and Ohio, swing states both, you need not bring your Confederate Flag hunting expedition. I've got you covered. There wouldn't be much for your hunting party to find here in the way of Stars and Bars.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

The fact remains that in the most recent election, states like PA and MD were blue states. Period.

You better be careful or you'll be excommunicated from the Cult of Trump. Your Dear Leader (and Pennsylvania's GOP gubernatorial candidate) still insist that the Lying Dotard won Pennsylvania.

My point that Confederate flags can be seen flying in parts of the country that were not parts of the Confederacy, seemingly out of solidarity with racist wingnuts and Lost Cause fanboys, remains true whether you wish it were so or not. For example, the traitorous clown who brought the Confederate flag into the US Capitol during the insurrection was from Delaware and flew the flag outside his house in Laurel, Delaware.

[Chicks]

A quick Google search shows plenty of redneck flags (and worse) flying in Michigan.

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/arti..._lansing_rally

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...t6q-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nfederate-flag

https://wwmt.com/news/local/bill-int...apitol-grounds

...and many more, proving Whell hasn't done his homework, as always. (the dog at my homework!)

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You better be careful or you'll be excommunicated from the Cult of Trump. Your Dear Leader (and Pennsylvania's GOP gubernatorial candidate) still insist that the Lying Dotard won Pennsylvania.

My point that Confederate flags can be seen flying in parts of the country that were not parts of the Confederacy, seemingly out of solidarity with racist wingnuts and Lost Cause fanboys, remains true whether you wish it were so or not. For example, the traitorous clown who brought the Confederate flag into the US Capitol during the insurrection was from Delaware and flew the flag outside his house in Laurel, Delaware.

It has been a white supremacy statement for pretty much everyone but the culturally ignorant, including certain Southern rock bands and the clueless morons that produced the dorks of Hazzard, f.e.