The US Census Under Trump

[bobabode]

Lie, cheat and steal. The mantra of Trump and t'Rrumpublicans everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...aking-news-bar

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Lie, cheat and steal. The mantra of Trump and t'Rrumpublicans everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...aking-news-bar

I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

https://www.census.gov/programs-surv...stitution.html



""The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.""




Limit populations to limit representation!

[donquixote99]

Basically, yes, because that's what the constitution says. Article one section 2, makes the number for allocating representatives "the whole Number of free Persons." It does not say citizens, it says persons.

[Oerets]

Remember at the time citizenship and those who voted were of 18th century norms. Men and of land owning in nature.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Remember at the time citizenship and those who voted were of 18th century norms. Men and of land owning in nature.

True, but the census is not a count of voters, it has nothing directly to do with voting. It is a count of population, for purposes of apportioning representation and taxes. As quoted above, the word is 'persons,' not 'voters.'

[Oerets]

Agreed, just stating this was set forth in a different time with different norms. The population was to reflect the population as a whole. At he time there were many who could not vote yet needed representation! Women and slaves for one. Slaves states were the ones pushing to have a full accounting of population at the time.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

Because, just like the 2nd amendment, it's a product of a different era. If you don't like it, you probably don't like the 2nd, either.

But it's clear from all your posts that you really don't understand a thing about our constitutional republic...

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

True, but the census is not a count of voters, it has nothing directly to do with voting. It is a count of population, for purposes of apportioning representation and taxes. As quoted above, the word is 'persons,' not 'voters.'

How does it help proportion representation and taxes?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

How does it help proportion representation and taxes?

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