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bobabode 09-10-2020 06:17 PM

The US Census Under Trump
 
Lie, cheat and steal. The mantra of Trump and t'Rrumpublicans everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...aking-news-bar

Waggs098 09-11-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 391299)
Lie, cheat and steal. The mantra of Trump and t'Rrumpublicans everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...aking-news-bar

I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

Oerets 09-11-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 391340)
I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

https://www.census.gov/programs-surv...stitution.html



""The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.""




Limit populations to limit representation!;)

donquixote99 09-11-2020 05:06 PM

Basically, yes, because that's what the constitution says. Article one section 2, makes the number for allocating representatives "the whole Number of free Persons." It does not say citizens, it says persons.

Oerets 09-11-2020 05:10 PM

Remember at the time citizenship and those who voted were of 18th century norms. Men and of land owning in nature.

donquixote99 09-11-2020 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 391343)
Remember at the time citizenship and those who voted were of 18th century norms. Men and of land owning in nature.

True, but the census is not a count of voters, it has nothing directly to do with voting. It is a count of population, for purposes of apportioning representation and taxes. As quoted above, the word is 'persons,' not 'voters.'

Oerets 09-11-2020 05:21 PM

Agreed, just stating this was set forth in a different time with different norms. The population was to reflect the population as a whole. At he time there were many who could not vote yet needed representation! Women and slaves for one. Slaves states were the ones pushing to have a full accounting of population at the time.

Chicks 09-11-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 391340)
I can only read the headline since I don't subscribe but are you saying undocumented people should be included in the census and if so why?

Because, just like the 2nd amendment, it's a product of a different era. If you don't like it, you probably don't like the 2nd, either. :rolleyes:

But it's clear from all your posts that you really don't understand a thing about our constitutional republic...

Waggs098 09-11-2020 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 391345)
True, but the census is not a count of voters, it has nothing directly to do with voting. It is a count of population, for purposes of apportioning representation and taxes. As quoted above, the word is 'persons,' not 'voters.'

How does it help proportion representation and taxes?

bobabode 09-11-2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 391351)
How does it help proportion representation and taxes?

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