Biden as a centrist

[FordGT90]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

But I believe many Establishment Republicans also support Biden.
They are many repubs who are anxious to get rid of Trump. They view him as an hijacker, an usurper. They loathe him.

There is this story...
The wealthy Republicans who want to oust Trump in November's election
...but don't count the chickens until the eggs hatch. Trump's supporters were mostly silent in 2016 and there is no reason to believe they won't remain silent in 2020.

It explains why Trump isn't raising as much money but it still can't predict how the election will go. I don't think anyone can because of COVID-19 mixing things up as well.

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Besides, the alternative to Biden is tRump and only the hard-core faithful are in his pocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_U...on#Nominations
Republican: Trump
Democrat: Biden
Libertarian: Jorgensen
Green: Hawkins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_...ntial_election
Constitution: Blankenship
Alliance: De La Fuente
So************************m and Liberation: La Riva
Prohibition: Collins
Bread & Roses: Segal
Legal Marijuana Now: Reyes
Unity: Hammons
Birthday: West
Brock Pierce
Jade Simmons
American Solidarity: Carroll

Plenty of choices.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

Trump (74), Clinton (72), and Biden (77) are about the same age.

It's not about his chronological age at all. That's the point. I'm 66 and people mistake me for being in my late 40's all the time. It gets downright embarrassing. Meanwhile, I have friends and acquaintances my age that are living in senior centers eating pudding and strained vegetables.

I'm not talking so much about Biden's age, but about where that age leaves him in his ability to function at all.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

Pretty sure it's the same people behind Biden that were behind Clinton. Establishment Democrat: the superdelegates.

I agree with you there. I would watch those debates and laugh that he was even still participating due to the sheer awfulness of his performance. But he is an example of what happens when there is not a Trump on stage. What I mean is, had Trump not been there, the republican handlers would have given the voters Jeb. It was obvious that he was the anointed one, but an outsider refused to play the game.

It's why we have folks like Romney badmouthing trump. He's an outsider. He's not a part of the Uniparty - and that is why so many people love him. They love what he is doing and the more he pisses off the left and ESPECIALLY the RINOs, the more they love him.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

But I believe many Establishment Republicans also support Biden.
They are many repubs who are anxious to get rid of Trump. They view him as an hijacker, an usurper. They loathe him.

Yep. I firmly agree. See my post above this one.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Tough luck bucko (NI) you guys just don't have the same amount of time to slander, defame, demonize and character assassinate Biden as you did with Hillary. Besides, the alternative to Biden is tRump and only the hard-core faithful are in his pocket.

FordGT90 as I said to Insane, the alternative is tRump.

The difference between leftists and conservatives:

Conservatives: I'd vote for the candidate against Hillary unless it was satan himself.
Leftists: I'd vote for the candidate against Trump even it it was satan himself.


It kinda sums up a lot of the differences between the two world views. Fortunately the latter is mostly kids - who eventually grow up to become the former.

[FordGT90]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

It's not about his chronological age at all. That's the point. I'm 66 and people mistake me for being in my late 40's all the time. It gets downright embarrassing. Meanwhile, I have friends and acquaintances my age that are living in senior centers eating pudding and strained vegetables.

I'm not talking so much about Biden's age, but about where that age leaves him in his ability to function at all.

I figured that's what you were getting at and no argument from me there.

Originally Posted by Not Insane

I agree with you there. I would watch those debates and laugh that he was even still participating due to the sheer awfulness of his performance. But he is an example of what happens when there is not a Trump on stage. What I mean is, had Trump not been there, the republican handlers would have given the voters Jeb. It was obvious that he was the anointed one, but an outsider refused to play the game.

It's why we have folks like Romney badmouthing trump. He's an outsider. He's not a part of the Uniparty - and that is why so many people love him. They love what he is doing and the more he pisses off the left and ESPECIALLY the RINOs, the more they love him.

This just goes to show how the Republican primary is a fair, legitimate election where the Democratic primary is not. Reince Priebus stayed neutral throughout the 2016 election until Trump secured enough delegates to take the nomination. That's the way it is supposed to be.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

But I believe many Establishment Republicans also support Biden.
They are many repubs who are anxious to get rid of Trump. They view him as an hijacker, an usurper. They loathe him.

You cite the establishment Republican view of Trump as if it wasn't self-evident truth.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

...but don't count the chickens until the eggs hatch. Trump's supporters were mostly silent in 2016 and there is no reason to believe they won't remain silent in 2020.

[watsup1000]

Originally Posted by FordGT90

He is not centrist:
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Reading through his list, I see trillions (plural for a reason) of dollars worth of proposals and no way to pay for them.

For example, he wants to put Bidencare on top of Obamacare by creating another insurance company (besides CMS) that people can buy insurance from. It's not far removed from universal health care the liberals are pushing. Just different in name only, really.


You are proving my contention that Biden is a centrist. The fact is that the majority of people want to maintain some sort of government help in regards to health insurance. Meanwhile, the Trump administration continues to push their case for totally eliminating Obamacare in front of the SC with no plan for how to replace it such that those covered under it continue to have health insurance.


Another example is what he wants to do in regards to guns. He wants to let people sue gun manufacturers. That's like suing GE because some idiot got sucked into the intake of a running jet engine. No, no one sued GE because of that. Limiting "high capacity magazines" is a non-starter because anyone that used a firearm in a self-defense situation knows regular capacity is hardly enough. He wants to create a registry of property for sales made decades ago; another non-starter. He wants to create a buy back program like Australia did; Biden loves spending money that isn't his. Oh, and best one? Literally limit people's right to firearm property by limiting the number they can own; a direct violation of the 2nd amendment and 4th amendment. I'm only 15% down the page too! These proposals are downright draconian, not centrist at all.

Actually, once again, the majority of people want some gun sanity laws that would help to prevent the gun massacres that have become way too common after the Repubs allowed assault-type weapons back into the general public, and also to try to cut down on the 40,000 or so gun deaths each and every year in this "civilized First World" nation. Biden again is the centrist regarding this issue.


Trump is more centrist than Biden. Remember, Trump was a Democrat until the party went far left (two examples of that above).

And no, Trump is not "centrist". That's why his approval rating has hovered down around 40% or below for basically his entire term. He is supported primarily by the vast right-wing FOX cult, and that's about it. Very few of his programs, if any, have majority support for them.
No, he is not centrist at all.

[watsup1000]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

In all sincerity, I consider Biden to be a cardboard cut out propped up by his "handlers" to run against trump. He's the worst candidate in history to run for president and I actually pity him. I think he is being used.

But the bottom line is that I always chuckle when ANYONE even goes there - regarding what Biden believes. He's a placeholder for the D's and nothing more. What he believes or says is completely irrelevant. They are just praying to whatever demon they worship that enough people will vote AGAINST trump for whoever they prop up - and today that would be Biden. If only AOC was old enough.

Basically, you have said NOTHING above. It's just the common right-wing SLUR of Biden that we will see over and over in the next 100 days.
And it is actually Trump who has "handlers". Basically, he never really has an original thought. His "handlers" are the FOX commentators. He watches them in the early morning and probably often through the day and definitely at nite so that he knows what to "think" and what his policies should be. Even his every-present tweets are mostly just reruns of what he has heard on FOX.
And yes, many have noted that Biden is expected to be a place-holder to give the younger Dems a chance to establish themselves in preparation for the next time. I'm sure that he knows that and is fine with it.
And here I thought that you claimed not to do ad hom. So what exactly is "praying to whatever demon they worship" if not also a generalized slur against Democrats.
Whatever happened to thoughtful discussion?