And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to… Bernie Sanders

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

As to Trump vs. Hillary, it should have never come to this. So is Hillary responsible for getting Trump elected or is Bernie responsible for Hillary's loss?

The Non-Voters Who Decided The Election: Trump Won Because Of Lower Democratic Turnout

An astonishing spectacle of the election aftermath is the false account of why Trump won. The accepted wisdom is that Trump succeeded in awakening a popular movement of anger and frustration among white, blue-collar, less educated, mostly male, voters, particularly in non-urban areas. Trump promised them jobs, safe borders, and dignity, and they responded by turning out in masses at his pre-election rallies and eventually at the ballots, carrying him to victory.

This story is mostly wrong. Trump did not win because he was more attractive to this base of white voters. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. This is a profound fact, because Democratic voters were so extraordinarily repelled by Trump that they were supposed to have the extra motivation to turn out... http://www.forbes.com/sites/omribens.../#7a731aac40a1

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

The Non-Voters Who Decided The Election: Trump Won Because Of Lower Democratic Turnout

An astonishing spectacle of the election aftermath is the false account of why Trump won. The accepted wisdom is that Trump succeeded in awakening a popular movement of anger and frustration among white, blue-collar, less educated, mostly male, voters, particularly in non-urban areas. Trump promised them jobs, safe borders, and dignity, and they responded by turning out in masses at his pre-election rallies and eventually at the ballots, carrying him to victory.

This story is mostly wrong. Trump did not win because he was more attractive to this base of white voters. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. This is a profound fact, because Democratic voters were so extraordinarily repelled by Trump that they were supposed to have the extra motivation to turn out... http://www.forbes.com/sites/omribens.../#7a731aac40a1

As I was saying....

[Rajoo]

Thanks for the link nailer. I also believe that some of the polls just before the elections made Hillary such an overwhelming favorite probably affecting voter turnout for the Democrats. But the mystery solved, Berniacs did not vote for Hillary, so in essence Bernie is responsible for Hillary's loss.

But here is the rub (from the Forbes link).

Running against Trump, any Democratic candidate should have ridden a wave of anti-Trump sentiment among these voters. It therefore took a strong distaste for Hillary Clinton among the Democratic base to not only undo this wave, but to lose many additional liberal votes.

I think also that Hillary never really appealed to the Progressives whom Bernie had energized, mostly due to lack of trust.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

As I was saying....

Yes, as you had been saying, first the choice of Hillary and then later about the margin of error in the polls.............

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Thanks for the link nailer. I also believe that some of the polls just before the elections made Hillary such an overwhelming favorite probably affecting voter turnout for the Democrats. But the mystery solved, Berniacs did not vote for Hillary, so in essence Bernie is responsible for Hillary's loss.

But here is the rub (from the Forbes link).


I think also that Hillary never really appealed to the Progressives whom Bernie had energized, mostly due to lack of trust.

It's good to see the scales have fallen from your eyes and it takes a brave man to admit it.

[Pio1980]

For Progressives, the difference between Hillz and Trump is a difference with an overwhelming distinction. WTF were they thinking?

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[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Thanks for the link nailer. I also believe that some of the polls just before the elections made Hillary such an overwhelming favorite probably affecting voter turnout for the Democrats. But the mystery solved, Berniacs did not vote for Hillary, so in essence Bernie is responsible for Hillary's loss.

I don't agree. I will admit that Bernie's message of social justice and change stood in vivid contrast to HRC's message of stability and business as usual. As a result, HRC was unable to attract some of Bernie's supporters to her side, despite campaigning for her and trying to tell his supporters that HRC was in favor of about 80% of Bernie's campaign pledges. That was a heavy lift that nobody believed.

[bobabode]

Here's a turd in the mescaline spiked punchbowl that the far left drinks from, America is a centrist nation. They aren't breathlessly waiting for Woodstock Nation to arise out of the mud to lead them into a glorious day-glo future inhabited by glitter farting unicorns where the Age of Aquarius rules.

[Pio1980]

Nor are they deserving of a lockstep goosestep frogmarch into fascism, which they just chose.

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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Nor are they deserving of a lockstep goosestep frogmarch into fascism, which they just chose.

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True dat but here we are.