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Pio1980 · #**421** 10-29-2016, 07:32 PM

Religion is a choice on whether to take someone's word on the unprovable on faith or not.
I don't have that kind of faith, and find the emotional investment optional. Whether there's a cosmic penalty for that is also a matter of faith. It's comforting to think there's some sort of cosmic payback for being an asshole in life, but the data is absent.

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JCricket · #**422** 10-29-2016, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

You'll note that I said Christian and not Catholic. I was raised Catholic as well and Catholic doctrine regarding those who died in ignorance of the salvation to be found in Christ, and this in a state of original sin, spent eternity in Limbo. Other Christian denominations don't believe in Limbo and as a result believe that the unsaved are consigned to the flames.

As for the knowledge that an act is sinful being necessary, we have Ignorantia juris non excusat, or Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I may be making an error in conflating law with doctrine but most of our legal principles are derived from religion. And I once had a conversation with an acquaintance who made it most of the way through divinity school and it was his opinion that those born in ignorance of Christ were doomed to Hell.

Good points. I missed the Catholic vs Christian - sorry.

I do thikn the "ignorance is no excuse" is only the law. The law deals with actions, more so than intent. So I guess the question is what sets the standard. Ignorance or intent? Even legally speaking, in many crimes intent must be proven. ie manslaughter vs murder?

sheltiedave · #**423** 10-29-2016, 08:43 PM

Actually, there is a doctrinal move that God blesses conception, so those that are conceived know of God, the Trinity, and are no longer consigned to Hell.

Seeing that this may reduce tithing due to fear, may be a reason most doctrinal conservatives do not like this wrinkle.

nailer · #**424** 10-30-2016, 09:41 AM

God had his own son killed to expand his brand and blames us. What's up with that?

Pio1980 · #**425** 10-30-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer

God had his own son killed to expand his brand and blames us. What's up with that?

Does the lyin' king know about this?

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Rajoo · #**426** 10-30-2016, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer

God had his own son killed to expand his brand and blames us. What's up with that?

In mythology, strange things are known to happen.

Pio1980 · #**427** 10-30-2016, 11:37 AM

Stolen valor, Trump style.
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whell · #**428** 10-30-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Actually, there is a doctrinal move that God blesses conception, so those that are conceived know of God, the Trinity, and are no longer consigned to Hell.

Seeing that this may reduce tithing due to fear, may be a reason most doctrinal conservatives do not like this wrinkle.

Well we certainly know that hard core Dems don't like that whole "God blesses conception" thing.....

sheltiedave · #**429** 10-30-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by whell

Well we certainly know that hard core Dems don't like that whole "God blesses conception" thing.....

Yea, and the hard core Repubs feel that conception is the only thing God blesses, other than the Gospel of Prosperity.

Pio1980 · #**430** 10-30-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by whell

Well we certainly know that hard core Dems don't like that whole "God blesses conception" thing.....

It's more complicated than that as an ethical consideration, leaving religion out.
Is a fetus a person, or personal property of the host until birth? Both? Something else?

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