Polls - Clinton Fading

[Pio1980]

I dunno if there are enuff Berniebots to make a difference, but it's still self destructive reactionism.

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[bobabode]

90% of Bernie's supporters are already voting for Madame President in November, (latest Pew Poll). After the Democratic Convention and Bernie hitting the campaign trail this summer, those numbers should increase to 97%.

The remaining 3% of bitter deadenders will easily be more than replaced by right leaning Independents and sane Republicans who recoil at the thought of an orange haired, spray tanned, bombastic liar sitting in the Oval Office.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

Did you not read anything I wrote?

Your comment is evidence that what ever I wrote, you have your own idea of how I feel about the candidates and refuse to accept what I say.

Seems to me this isn't the first time you have dismissed my words for how you think I should feel.

If you can quit pontificating and actually get down to discussing specifics, we can have a conversation. Otherwise it's simply grey noise to me.

With all due respect, all I have heard from you so far is that Hillary is better than Trump and that's not good enough for me. Polls showed then that Bernie beats Trump handily and now Hillary can barely keep her head above water, this after spending Million$ in campaign advertising. Yet you preferred Hillary over Bernie and now you own it. Care to discuss what made Hillary such a compelling candidate? This is what I have been asking here all along and all I get is insults or deflections.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

If you can quit pontificating and actually get down to discussing specifics, we can have a conversation. Otherwise it's simply grey noise to me.

With all due respect, all I have heard from you so far is that Hillary is better than Trump and that's not good enough for me. Polls showed then that Bernie beats Trump handily and now Hillary can barely keep her head above water, this after spending Million$ in campaign advertising. Yet you preferred Hillary over Bernie and now you own it. Care to discuss what made Hillary such a compelling candidate? This is what I have been asking here all along and all I get is insults or deflections.

That may be all you have heard, but it is not all she has said. It's possible you filter out positive comments on Hillary.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Who gets to decide what is good for America? And where does Hillary get her consensus when a majority of Americans do not approve of her?

Your issue seems to be two fold. One is you really cannot seem to explain nor justify your support of Hillary other than that she is better than Trump. What do you expect trump's supporters to say?

Your second issue seems to be that since you are convinced in your mind that Hillary is best for America, you want the rest of us to follow even though you offer no justification. Again saying she is better than Trump is not saying much, does not take much to rise above that bar.

So all you have left is criticizing or belittling people like me who are independent thinkers and not prone to group think. And this frustrates you.

All you have claimed for the past is months is how Hillary is going to win yet every time I look around she is tanking in the polls. If the primaries were not rigged why did DWS resign in disgrace and why did the DNC openly apologize to Bernie?

So who here is not accepting facts? I may not be up in US history like you but I am really not that dumb to fall for the DNC subterfuge either. You really think Hillary was the best candidate the Democrats could have come up with this time?

If Bernie had won the nomination I would be supporting him right now.
Hillary has come out for public option, raising of the minimum wage, debt-free plan for college and other things. What else do you want? And yes she is not Trump.

The DWS thing is just theatre and she is being scapegoated for doing her job.
She wasn't really fired and she probably knew it was coming all along. She went along like a team player when Hillary came to ask her to step down.

When I look at Hillary I see a New Deal liberal. I don't what your problem is.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

If you can quit pontificating and actually get down to discussing specifics, we can have a conversation. Otherwise it's simply grey noise to me.

With all due respect, all I have heard from you so far is that Hillary is better than Trump and that's not good enough for me. Polls showed then that Bernie beats Trump handily and now Hillary can barely keep her head above water, this after spending Million$ in campaign advertising. Yet you preferred Hillary over Bernie and now you own it. Care to discuss what made Hillary such a compelling candidate? This is what I have been asking here all along and all I get is insults or deflections.

Oh, nonsense. That touchstone that Bernie would've beaten Trump is utter bullshit. Unlike Hillary Clinton he was never seriously vetted by the press corp. He was handled with kid gloves throughout the campaign because he was never going to win enough votes.

Bernie would've been tarred, feathered and rode outta town on a rail by the press and their Republican stooges for saying lack of sex causes cancer in women. His published rape fantasy and his other wonderings about little kids fondling each other would have been all over the airways. Midwesterners would've recoiled in horror at all the oppo research the Trumplicans have on the old hippie.

If anything we Democrats dodged a huge bullet by voting against Sanders.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That may be all you have heard, but it is not all she has said. It's possible you filter out positive comments on Hillary.

Possible, but the question that will be on the back of all of our minds is "was Hillary the best available option" or were we swooned by the Clinton name.

Originally Posted by icenine

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When I look at Hillary I see a New Deal liberal. I don't what your problem is.

It's all in the eye of the beholder. I am skeptical about Hillary's promises since keeping her word is not her strong suit.

Originally Posted by bobabode

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If anything we Democrats dodged a huge bullet by voting against Sanders.

Since you are extremely confident that Hillary will against Trump, how about a no comment?

And I hereby cower under your collective wisdom. I am reminded of this movie.
As a word of advice, try speaking to some college age kids. We have about four in our company, one of whom just graduated and three others who are all working towards their degrees.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Possible, but the question that will be on the back of all of our minds is "was Hillary the best available option" or were we swooned by the Clinton name.



It's all in the eye of the beholder. I am skeptical about Hillary's promises since keeping her word is not her strong suit.



Since you are extremely confident that Hillary will against Trump, how about a no comment?

And I hereby cower under your collective wisdom. I am reminded of this movie.
As a word of advice, try speaking to some college age kids. We have about four in our company, one of whom just graduated and three others who are all working towards their degrees.

You can bite me with all this passive/aggressive bullcrap and I'll still respect you in the morning, Raji.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

If Bernie had won the nomination I would be supporting him right now.
Hillary has come out for public option, raising of the minimum wage, debt-free plan for college and other things. What else do you want?

A candidate that can beat Trump for a start.

The DWS thing is just theatre and she is being scapegoated for doing her job. She wasn't really fired and she probably knew it was coming all along. She went along like a team player when Hillary came to ask her to step down.

Being in the tank for Clinton when the DNC is supposed to be impartial isn't "doing her job".

When I look at Hillary I see a New Deal liberal. I don't what your problem is.

Who has sold herself to the same "economic royalists" that FDR fought for his entire presidency.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

If you can quit pontificating and actually get down to discussing specifics, we can have a conversation. Otherwise it's simply grey noise to me.



With all due respect, all I have heard from you so far is that Hillary is better than Trump and that's not good enough for me. Polls showed then that Bernie beats Trump handily and now Hillary can barely keep her head above water, this after spending Million$ in campaign advertising. Yet you preferred Hillary over Bernie and now you own it. Care to discuss what made Hillary such a compelling candidate? This is what I have been asking here all along and all I get is insults or deflections.

If you can quit projecting what you think I should feel then maybe we can have a conversation.

I'm not surprised that "all you have heard from me is that Hilary is better than Trump" because that is all you want to hear from me.

I have made my feelings more than clear more than once and in conversations with you. Don't feel like I should have to repeat it once again when you won't hear it anyway.

YOU state that I preferred Hilary over Bernie.... YOUR words, not mine.

YOU state that I think Hilary is a compelling candidate. YOUR words, not mine.