Trumps is in!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by barbara

Pointing out the perceived flaws of Hilary does not excuse Trump's lies and inaccuracies.

It's quite possible that both candidates have stretched the truth from time to time. 😉

However, I find Trump's lies to be far more damaging to our country.

I feel the same way about Hillary as you do about Trump.

I didn't always feel that way, but it has developed over the course of the campaign for the nomination as I learned more and more about her and observed how she conducted herself. There is no turning back for me.

I also didn't think much of Trump at the beginning of the campaign season but watching how he has stuck a finger in the eye of the Republican establishment, whom I despise, I have developed a certain amount of respect for him.

As far as how he will govern, he is an unknown quantity, but he has said a lot of the right things. If he's true to his word he will be standing up for the working class which have been given short shrift by both major parties for decades. Electing him is crapshoot I admit, but it's beats Hillary's sure thing which is more catering to the ruling class.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

As a Hillary supporter you have a lot of gall calling anyone else a liar.

Hillary is the biggest liar on the planet.

Nothing about her is real.

It's all scripted.

The truth is Hillary can never be herself.

Because if she was her campaign would be over in a heartbeat.

I believe that the real Hillary is the one her secret service agents described.

The one that answered them with "Fuck Off" when they said "Good Morning Ma'am" to her. That's the real Hillary.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2242/s...g-hank-berrien

Politifact on Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/

Politifact on Trump http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

Pointing out the perceived flaws of Hilary does not excuse Trump's lies and inaccuracies.

It's quite possible that both candidates have stretched the truth from time to time. 😉

However, I find Trump's lies to be far more damaging to our country.

Trump has never held a public office nor an executive position in the government. Hillary OTOH has left quite a wreckage in her past.

[icenine]

Only consensus candidates get elected. Before Trump Hillary would probably not qualify.
But he is the ultimate xenophobic "populist" in modern US history and a liar to boot.
Most likely lying about his wealth. He has made Hillary the consensus candidate.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I feel the same way about Hillary as you do about Trump.



I didn't always feel that way, but it has developed over the course of the campaign for the nomination as I learned more and more about her and observed how she conducted herself. There is no turning back for me.



I also didn't think much of Trump at the beginning of the campaign season but watching how he has stuck a finger in the eye of the Republican establishment, whom I despise, I have developed a certain amount of respect for him.



As far as how he will govern, he is an unknown quantity, but he has said a lot of the right things. If he's true to his word he will be standing up for the working class which have been given short shrift by both major parties for decades. Electing him is crapshoot I admit, but it's beats Hillary's sure thing which is more catering to the ruling class.

"If he's true to his word" you say....

Just exactly which words?

You see, that's my issue with Trump. He isn't true to his words and his words are rarely true.

It's ok we don't agree on this. I'm not here to change anyone's mind .... Not that I could.

But, in the area of health care, we are in agreement.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I feel the same way about Hillary as you do about Trump.

I didn't always feel that way, but it has developed over the course of the campaign for the nomination as I learned more and more about her and observed how she conducted herself. There is no turning back for me.

I also didn't think much of Trump at the beginning of the campaign season but watching how he has stuck a finger in the eye of the Republican establishment, whom I despise, I have developed a certain amount of respect for him.

As far as how he will govern, he is an unknown quantity, but he has said a lot of the right things. If he's true to his word he will be standing up for the working class which have been given short shrift by both major parties for decades. Electing him is crapshoot I admit, but it's beats Hillary's sure thing which is more catering to the ruling class.

I used to like you until you started to support Trump. Your constant
harping about single payer seems to be some sort of rationalizing on your part designed to ease some guilt about the real Trump.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by icenine

Only consensus candidates get elected. Before Trump Hillary would probably not qualify.
But he is the ultimate xenophobic "populist" in modern US history and a liar to boot.
Most likely lying about his wealth. He has made Hillary the consensus candidate.

The truth shall set you free and finally you've seen the light.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

He has made Hillary the consensus candidate.

You call that narrow lead of hers in the polls "consensus."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRL_jKl-YM

NBC: Amazing How Close Trump Is to Clinton in Battleground States, Despite Campaign Woes

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

I used to like you until you started to support Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4J1fjuKdg

Originally Posted by icenine

Your constant harping about single payer seems to be some sort rationalizing on your part designed to ease some guilt about the real Trump.

It's my number one issue. Always has been. And quite frankly Hillary throwing in the towel on it has a lot to do with why I hate her.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4J1fjuKdg



It's my number one issue. Always has been. And quite frankly Hillary throwing in the towel on it has a lot to do with why I hate her.

Like Trump and a Republican congress is going to pass single payer.