South Carolina High School Student Dragged From Class

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Right. Lets just decide the cop is a racist pig, which is this forum's MO in pretty much every such story. We don't got to show you no stinkin' investigation results.

Look, you're not going to "win" by constantly trying to make this about race. Nobody in this thread has accused the deputy.... the FIRED deputy.... of racial bias so stop implying that we have or, I guess, will.

Shit, he has a freakin' black girlfriend.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

I have heard the officer has a history of stepping over the line. I don't know if that is true.

I also wonder about the history of the student.

It also occurred to me that the officer might have been set up for this viral video. With all the viral videos out there these days, ya gotta wonder .........
On the other hand..... If students felt the need to set him up, there was a problem going on long before this.


If none of this makes sense.... Please excuse me. Been in the emergency room all night and brain is on overload.

Quite possible considering that the female student was not responding to her teachers, but that's one heck of a physical punishment to take for an attitude adjustment. Could have led to serious injury or even worse.

In fact, the extent of physical violence is probably what got this officer fired so quickly.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Quite possible considering that the female student was not responding to her teachers, but that's one heck of a physical punishment to take for an attitude adjustment. Could have led to serious injury or even worse.



In fact, the extent of physical violence is probably what got this officer fired so quickly.

Yes, I agree.... The physical punishment was excessive.

But, I just have to wonder if this was the first time the student was defiant.

And what should an adult do if the student refuses to leave the room?

....and then there are those folks that think if students feared the paddle, they would respect the teachers more...

But then again..... If it were MY child.....

I don't know who was right or who was wrong..... But what I do know is that usually there is more than one side to the story.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Look, you're not going to "win" by constantly trying to make this about race. Nobody in this thread has accused the deputy.... the FIRED deputy.... of racial bias so stop implying that we have or, I guess, will.

Shit, he has a freakin' black girlfriend.

The neighborhood activists on CNN made it about race, John. We sat in front of the TeeVee and watched 'em. But maybe that was before it came out that his GF is black. Reckon if the activists from the 'hood have revised their beef, eh?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The neighborhood activists on CNN made it about race, John. We sat in front of the TeeVee and watched 'em. But maybe that was before it came out that his GF is black. Reckon if the activists from the 'hood have revised their beef, eh?

Sorry Ike, but your buddy "Officer Slam" having a black girlfriend doesn't automatically give him a pass on being a racist.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The neighborhood activists on CNN made it about race, John. We sat in front of the TeeVee and watched 'em. But maybe that was before it came out that his GF is black. Reckon if the activists from the 'hood have revised their beef, eh?

We're not neighborhood activists here, Ike, yet you're accusing us of race baiting. Clearly, since you've hopelessly lost the argument about the deputy's excessively violent behavior, you're trying to shift the ground toward the race issue because you think it's a winner for you.

And, while I'm thinking of it, please point me to any statement from "neighborhood activists" claiming that there was a racial motive behind former Deputy Fields' actions. I haven't seen any. Or is it enough that the interviewees were themselves black?

And "'hood"? What are you implying, Ike?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Sorry Ike, but your buddy "Officer Slam" having a black girlfriend doesn't automatically give him a pass on being a racist.

True but not every confrontation between a black person and a white person has racial motivations. Nothing about this particular incident screams "racism!"

Now, it could be argued that, both locally and nationally, school disciplinary actions display a pattern of racial bias. That doesn't mean that any one particular incident has racist implications.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

Yes, I agree.... The physical punishment was excessive.

But, I just have to wonder if this was the first time the student was defiant.

And what should an adult do if the student refuses to leave the room?

....and then there are those folks that think if students feared the paddle, they would respect the teachers more...

But then again..... If it were MY child.....

I don't know who was right or who was wrong..... But what I do know is that usually there is more than one side to the story.

I believe in most, if not all, school districts here in Illinois, if a disruptive student refuses to leave the classroom, a police officer assigned to school duty or a "resource officer" (who has the same authority as a street cop) is called in. If the student does not comply, the officer is authorized to physically remove the student. If the student resists, the officer is authorized to use increasing levels of intervention to facilitate removal. Which can include use of a taser if it gets really bad. It appears from the video that this student threw herself back in the chair in an attempt to avoid the officer's grasp, and that is as likely to have caused the chair to go over backwards as anything else. He did not mace her, he did not taze her, strike her, kick her, or shoot her.

In your other post you mentioned a history. I'm going to say that it will be pretty difficult to find any cop who has worked the job as long as this guy who's record is totally complaint free.

I posted a few things earlier about my wife's 15 year history as a classroom teacher on Chicago's gang infested west side. Problems like this were rare, because the students knew that their parents had authorized some of the faculty they trusted (including the blonde) to whip their ass if they acted out. There were a few of the black staff who definitely used that intervention. My wife's pal Cleo, the librarian, was pretty notorious for handing out ass whippings. I don't believe any of the white teachers participated. But the kids knew and generally did not escalate their misbehavior beyond having to be told to quiet down 20 or 30 times a day. Nobody ever got hurt, and it worked because the kids just wanted to avoid the embarrassment. Get Your ass whipped by Cleo and you're in for a torrent of shit from other kids for weeks.

By the way...the school was in no man's land between Vice Lords and Disciples turf. One of the most violent and dangerous neighborhoods on the west side. Kids reported hearing gunfire at night all the time. Almost every kid had either a dead dad, dead uncle, dead brother or somebody else dead who just got caught in the crossfire. As many as half the black staff were carrying in school, depending on the day and on current neighborhood events.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I believe in most, if not all, school districts here in Illinois, if a disruptive student refuses to leave the classroom, a police officer assigned to school duty or a "resource officer" (who has the same authority as a street cop) is called in.

Interestingly, Richland county Sheriff Lott disagrees with you. He has said that the incident could have and should have been handled without calling for the School Resource Officer.

Look for the video with Sheriff Lott and Anderson Cooper, 4:34 long.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/sou...-arrest-video/

[Rajoo]

The school in question was racially well integrated (60% black student body) and located in a racially diverse neighborhood. Anytime there is a white cop on a black act, race card will always be played. Just the way our society responds. Yet in this case race was not brought up IIRC except in the makeup of the school board.

I do hope that this student gets expelled for her actions or lack thereof.