Poor Ben.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

1. Arguments from history may be carefully sourced and closely reasoned, using detailed analysis to derive well-qualified general sociological truths.

2. Or, they may be mere appropriations of the 'authority' of history to support any damn thing one wants.

Are you claiming to have some type 1 stuff, Ike? How about a link to a source with a bibliography and stuff.

How's about you do a search here for the history already posted over and over. Not that the local lockstep libs give a shit in Golda Meir's hat for the history of the oppression, mayhem and murder perped on Jews for the last 2 millenia.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

How's about you do a search here for the history already posted over and over. Not that the local lockstep libs give a shit in Golda Meir's hat for the history of the oppression, mayhem and murder perped on Jews for the last 2 millenia.

This is truly stupid.

You're not stupid but this is.

Nobody here has ever tried to minimize the suffering the Jews have endured. Nobody!

On the other hand, some have abused that history and demeaned it by trying to use it to justify the barbarous actions of the current Israeli government. It is a disgrace and dishonors the memory of every Jew to have ever suffered or died at the hands of bigots, be it during the Inquisition, the pogroms, the Shoah or at any other time in history.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

How's about you do a search here for the history already posted over and over. Not that the local lockstep libs give a shit in Golda Meir's hat for the history of the oppression, mayhem and murder perped on Jews for the last 2 millenia.

HERE is not what I'd call anything close to an authoritative source.

And that's your whole point--"the oppression mayhem and murder perped on Jews for the last to millennia?" That's just data. I assumed there was some important and meaningful conclusion* you feel is supported by "history." Would you be so kind as to state it?



*something more specific than ~I'm right and you're [insert insulting description here].~

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

This is truly stupid.

You're not stupid but this is.

Nobody here has ever tried to minimize the suffering the Jews have endured. Nobody!

On the other hand, some have abused that history and demeaned it by trying to use it to justify the barbarous actions of the current Israeli government. It is a disgrace and dishonors the memory of every Jew to have ever suffered or died at the hands of bigots, be it during the Inquisition, the pogroms, the Shoah or at any other time in history.

The "some" you have in mind, I assume, definitely includes the Prime Minister of Israel, who has been telling made-up, false lies as 'history' in public recently?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The "some" you have in mind, I assume, definitely includes the Prime Minister of Israel, who has been telling made-up, false lies as 'history' in public recently?

You assume correctly but there are others, some of them here on PC.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

This is truly stupid.

You're not stupid but this is.

Nobody here has ever tried to minimize the suffering the Jews have endured. Nobody!

On the other hand, some have abused that history and demeaned it by trying to use it to justify the barbarous actions of the current Israeli government. It is a disgrace and dishonors the memory of every Jew to have ever suffered or died at the hands of bigots, be it during the Inquisition, the pogroms, the Shoah or at any other time in history.

My ass. And with this you make my point.

On this, and pretty much every other lefty forum on the web we have 10, 20, 50 (take your pick)...posts bleating about the oppressive and cruel Jews for every post reminding us of the scourge of caliphate driven, jihadist terrorism perped on the rest of the world.

Lemme ask you a question John...when was the last post (besides something by me) put up here about Boko Haram and what has become of the schoolgirls kidnapped a fucking year ago last week? Who can say...so since I'm the only one talking about it...let's talk about it again.

The students have been forced to convert to Islam and into marriage with members of Boko Haram, with a reputed "bride price" of ₦2,000 each ($12.50/£7.50). Many of the students were taken to the neighbouring countries of Chad and Cameroon, with sightings reported of the students crossing borders with the militants, and sightings of the students by villagers living in the Sambisa Forest. The forest is considered a refuge for Boko Haram.[27] Local residents have been able to track the movements of the students with the help of contacts across north eastern Nigeria.[27]

On 2 May 2014, police said they were still unclear as to the exact number of students kidnapped. They asked parents to provide documents so an official count could be made, as school records had been damaged in the attack. On 4 May, the Nigerian President, Goodluck Jonathan, spoke publicly about the kidnapping for the first time, saying the government was doing everything it could to find the missing girls. At the same time, he blamed parents for not supplying enough information about their missing children to the police.

On 5 May 2014, a video in which Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau claimed responsibility for the kidnappings emerged. Shekau claimed that "Allah instructed me to sell them...I will carry out his instructions." "Slavery is allowed in my religion, and I shall capture people and make them slaves. " He said the girls should not have been in school and instead should have been married since girls as young as nine are suitable for marriage.

Following the kidnapping incident, Boko Haram again abducted another eight girls, aged between 12–15, from northeastern Nigeria,[30] a number later raised to eleven.

Chibok is primarily a Christian village and Shekau acknowledged that many of the girls seized were not Muslims: "The girls that have not accepted Islam, they are now gathered in numbers...and we treat them well the way the Prophet Muhammad treated the infidels he seized."

On 5 May 2014, at least 300 residents of the nearby town of Gamboru Ngala were killed in an attack by Boko Haram militants after Nigerian security forces had left the town to search for the kidnapped students. On 9 May, former Boko Haram negotiator, Shehu Sani, stated that the group wanted to swap the abducted girls for its jailed members. On 11 May, Kashim Shettima, Governor of Borno State in Nigeria, said that he had sighted the abducted girls and that the girls were not taken across the borders of Cameroon or Chad. On 12 May, Boko Haram released a video showing about 130 kidnapped girls, each clad in a hijab and a long Islamic chador, and demanded a prisoner exchange.

A journalist-brokered deal to secure the release of the girls in exchange for prisoners held in Nigerian jails was scrapped at a late stage on 24 May 2014 after President Goodluck Jonathan consulted with U.S., Israeli, French and British foreign ministers in Paris, where the consensus was that no deals should be struck with terrorists, and that a solution involving force was required.

On 26 May, the Nigerian Chief of Defence Staff announced that the Nigerian security forces had located the kidnapped girls, but ruled out a forceful rescue attempt for fears of collateral damage.

On 30 May, it was reported that a civilian militia in the Baale region of Northeastern Nigeria found two of the kidnapped girls raped, "half-dead," and tied to a tree. Villagers said the Boko Haram group had left the two girls, and killed four other disobedient girls and buried them. 223 were still missing.

On 24 June, it was reported that 91 more women and children were abducted in other areas of Borno State. One source estimated in June that there could be as many as 600 girls held by Boko Haram in three camps outside Nigeria.

On 26 June, it was announced that Levick, a Washington, D.C. public relations firm, had received "a contract worth more than $1.2 million" from the government of Nigeria to work on "the international and local media narrative" surrounding the Chibok schoolgirl kidnapping.

On 1 July, a businessman suspected of carrying out the kidnappings of the school girls, as well as the bombing of a busy market in northeastern Nigeria, was arrested. Military sources said that he was also accused of helping the Islamist militant group kill the traditional leader Emir of Gwoza.

On 15 July, Zakaria Mohammed, a high-ranking member of Boko Haram, was arrested at Darazo-Basrika Road while fleeing from the counter insurgency operations going on around the Balmo Forest.

On 12 October, it was reported that four girls from the original kidnapped group had escaped and walked three weeks to freedom in Nigeria. They said they had been held in a camp in Cameroon and raped every day.

In May 2015, it was reported that the Nigerian military had reclaimed most of the areas previously controlled by Boko Haram in Nigeria[52] including many of the camps in the Sambisa forest where it was suspected the Chibok girls had been kept. Although many women had been freed, none of the Chibok girls had been found. It was reported that some of the girls had been sold into slavery for N2,000 (about $10) each, others had been forcibly married to Boko Haram fighters[54] and they may have been killed. Kashim Shettima, the Borno state governor said he suspected the Chibok girls were being kept in underground bunkers.

For every one of these we got 25 or 50 cruel Jew occupations and oppression posts. And you want the Jews to give the dirt back. I want the Muslims to give the little girls back. I want them to quit lopping heads off, quit raping, quit clitorectomies, quit the mortars and rockets, quit the backpack bombing of peace demontrations. And I want the peaceful Muslims to open their mouths about what has happened to Islam and not leave it to Muslim women like Ayan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji, and Malala Yousafzai who between the three of them have more guts than the worldwide Muslim population combined.

What would I like to see right here on politicalchat.org? How's about maybe half, maybe a fucking tenth as much pissing and moaning about Khaled Mashal, or Mahmoud Abbas, or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, or Ayman al-Zawahiri, or Nasir al Wuhayshi, or Ahmed Abdi Godane, or Abubakar Shekau, or WTF how's about even a tenth of the pissing and moaning about all of them combined as we hear daily about Benjamin Netanyahu and the barbarous Israeli government. Y'know...maybe then we'd be on the road to getting a little balance on this forum.

Fat chance of any of that, eh John? So when you try to suggest that there's anything approaching a balance, you're just pissing in my ear and telling me it's raining. Your post above is as stupid as anything I've read on this forum since I wandered in here 2 years ago. (Seems longer than that don't it?)

PS - the current barbarous Israeli government has the support of the majority of the barbarous baby eating Jews living in Israel. So how's about you zip your spine back in, go retrieve your balls from your other pants and let's call a spade and spade, eh?

Jews Eat Babies

[Boreas]

I think it's incumbent on you to do the legwork, Ike, not me. You're the one making unsupported accusations, not me. Put up or shut up.

And 2 years? Hell, I've taken vacations from this snake pit that lasted longer than you've been around.

Newbie.

PS: did you write that Kos post? It's shrill, hysterical, self-pitying and substance-free enough to be your work.

[Ike Bana]

And that's as flaccid as anything you've posted in the 2 years I've been here. So Jews are barbarous then, by a factor of at least 25:1. Whenever I need reinforcement of that notion...I'll think of you.

[Dondilion]

An heart rending revisit.

Moreover when you look at such as Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates they just Boko Haram with a veneer.

[donquixote99]

People are on this board stridently claiming that any criticism of Israel is a crime against humanity.

No one is on this board so defending the Islamists.

This is why you see posts critical of Israelis more. People argue with posts they disagree with, not with nothing.