Poor Ben.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Ah, but what did you say that prompted that response. You know as well as I do that you're incapable of moderation when it comes to this topic. You said that all it takes is for someone not to condemn Israel as a fascist regime to provoke a negative reaction. We both know that's nonsense.

Not any more nonsenical than this pathetic excuse making for playing the bigot card. You're really something. I can feature you saying to a rape victim, "Ah, but didn't you think that not wearing a bra would prompt that reaction?"

Originally Posted by Boreas

The UN and Amnesty International have found this to be far less common than the Israeli government claims. Yes, it happens and yes, it's monstrous but the point is really that there are no good guys in this fight. They're all monsters and it's overwhelmingly the ordinary Palestinians who pay the price.

The UN? Fucking really? You're suggesting that the UN is free of bias on this issue? The UN...The international home of zionism=racism. The UN, my ass. And when it comes to the Israelis, Amnesty's agenda isn't much better if it's any better at all.

On this forum the anti-israel commentary outnumbers the anti-Palestinian commentary by a factor of 10. And I'm being generous in my estimate. So your "there are no good guys or bad guys" commentary rings pretty hollow in these halls. I my opinion the jihadists are the bad guys. The jihadists go away...the problem goes away. The problem is...there are flaws in Islam that allow for the plethora of jihadists, and the scourge of caliphate.

If it's Palestinians who pay the higher price it's because the terrorists are theirs. Either supported actively or passively by the deafening silence from the larger community.

And isn't the preceding just the sort of comment that would earn me the bigot tag? You betcha, Margie.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Not any more nonsenical than this pathetic excuse making for playing the bigot card. You're really something. I can feature you saying to a rape victim, "Ah, but didn't you think that not wearing a bra would prompt that reaction?"

Why, because I accused you of being immoderate?

The UN? Fucking really? You're suggesting that the UN is free of bias on this issue? The UN...The international home of zionism=racism. The UN, my ass. And when it comes to the Israelis, Amnesty's agenda isn't much better if it's any better at all.

Can you support those allegations?

On this forum the anti-israel commentary outnumbers the anti-Palestinian commentary by a factor of 10. And I'm being generous in my estimate.

So, why do you suppose that is?

If it's Palestinians who pay the higher price it's because the terrorists are theirs. Either supported actively or passively by the deafening silence from the larger community.

And isn't the preceding just the sort of comment that would earn me the bigot tag? You betcha, Margie.

Just as you and I passively supported W?

[Ike Bana]

WTF is wrong with you, man? The zionism=racism was authored somewhere else?

I suppose that is because they're Jews.

You're gonna have to 'splain to me how I passively supported W through my silence for 8 years.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

WTF is wrong with you, man? The zionism=racism was authored somewhere else?

Somewhere else and in another time. Anyway, the reference was removed later. And do you actually understand what Zionism is?

I suppose that is because they're Jews.

Well, that's your default position, isn't it? When in doubt the Goyim always blame the Jews, right?

But, as it happens, no. It's the disproportionality of the Israeli response. A case in point is the recently established policy regarding suspectedterrorists where the Israelis expel and impoverish entire families based on the mere suspicion that one member of the family might have committed an act of rebellion.

You're gonna have to 'splain to me how I passively supported W through my silence for 8 years.[/QUOTE]

I Did say "you and I". We did it in exactly the same way that many Palestinians passively support Hamas, by just trying to live the most normal life they can under trying circumstances.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

If it's Palestinians who pay the higher price it's because the terrorists are theirs. Either supported actively or passively by the deafening silence from the larger community.

Let's see. Hamas will kill those who oppose them (you provided a pic of an example), and you condemn them as passive supporters if they don't.

Don't you think that demanding people die to show you their sincerity may be expecting a little too much?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Let's see. Hamas will kill those who oppose them (you provided a pic of an example), and you condemn them as passive supporters if they don't.

Don't you think that demanding people die to show you their sincerity may be expecting a little too much?

Not when Gazans have Hamas because they chose Hamas. They knew exactly what Hamas was all about and chose Hamas as their leadership anyway. I would say Gazans fit the profile of those who actively support terrorism.

[matteos]

Hamas was legitimately elected. That's like the way the Nazis were legitimately elected. No they're not leaving power now, no way. But they won the election. They had majority support. Palestine made its bed. Now it gets to lie in it.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Boreas

There never was "lots of support" for the IRA in the US.
These silly claims frankly don't deserve more than a two word response.

That's a legit claim. The IRA had lots of support.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by matteos

Hamas was legitimately elected. That's like the way the Nazis were legitimately elected. No they're not leaving power now, no way. But they won the election. They had majority support. Palestine made its bed. Now it gets to lie in it.

You want them all hurt? How many dead do you want?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You want them all hurt? How many dead do you want?

I don't know about matteos, but I suspect he would say the same thing. I don't want anybody dead.

How many of us do they want dead? Hamas wants all of us dead. They're jidhadists. It's a caliphate. And Palestinians in Gaza who provided them majority support knew they wanted us all dead when they handed Hamas the office. So what do you suggest don? Oh I know...let's sit down and talk with them. They're reasonable people who shoot down their own in the streets of Gaza City as a message to the rest of the moronic majority of Gazans who handed them the office should they decide they want a change in "government." Gaza, like pretty much everybody else on the planet, has exactly the kind of government it deserves.

BBBbbbutttt....bbuutt...but...Ike...it's all because of all the oppression and cruelty perped on them by Israeli Jews!!!! No don...there's a problem in Islam. There aren't any Israeli Jews in Nigeria. There aren't any Israeli Jews in Indonesia. Boko Haram or Jamaah Islamiyah wouldn't know a Jew if a Jew handed them a wad of gefilte fish on a bialy.

Might I suggest adding Ayan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji to your reading list...and then getting back to me.