Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

I find it ironic whenever the left gets up in arms and starts talking about stepping on peoples rights to own guns, gun sales go up.

The sales really are, not for people who already are gun owners, you know the responsible ones who have used them in their whole life. Generally, it's two people that never cared in the first place if they had one or not, or a young person that just became of age. I feel that later do it on impulse which is the wrong reason.

A gun owner IMHO should grow into it and get trained slowly. A friend or family member that knows guns and how to treat them can help. going out and using their guns to learn with. I shot guns and loaded bullets for them many years before ever buy one. I had a friend who had many guns and if we were going shooting or hunting, I would pick one of his guns and load for it.

The point is that it used to be something that was handed down in training and knowlege, something you grow into.

Dan, I trust you read this link:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-control.html

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[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You went Bagger on the gas tax.

http://politicalchat.org/showpost.ph...06&potcount=61

Therefore I reserve my right to go Bagger on guns.

The only thing the gas tax hits is my wallet.....but if I could get an assault weapons ban in return for an increase on the gas tax I would make the trade.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by mpholland

There is the flaw in your thinking. Personally, I am not in favor of the elimination of guns, and most know that would be an unrealistic goal. We are discussing the regulation of the sale of guns and the fact that even sane people should have some sort of education about firearms when they buy one.

Cars are heavily regulated, and you have to have some sort of education to get a license to drive one in public.

Cell phones and alcohol are also quite regulated, and you are not allowed to operate a vehicle while using either one. You know why? Because when you mix cell phones, alcohol and cars people tend to die. Guns have nowhere near the level of regulation of other causes of serious injury and death.




So, since this knowledge and training isn't happening on its own anymore, that is when government actually has the RESPONSIBILITY to step in and make knowledge and training a mandatory part of gun ownership to protect the rights of those that might be injured or killed due to the improper use of them. The reasons the gun ownership goes up after tragedies isn't for protection, or because people are afraid some crazy is going to shoot them. It is because after every tragedy, someone suggests a tad bit of regulation and the NRA and other RWN's start screaming that the government is coming for your guns and if you don't have one, you better get one while you still can.

And so you prove the point of regulations don't stop people not willing to follow them, as evident by the high death rate of DUIs, Non Licence drivers, and people using their phones.

As far as California in order to buy a gun you need to be certified by a gun safety course and or had a prior hunting licence in the past. You can't just walk in off the street and buy a gun.

I don't mind back ground checks and quite a few things we have here nation wide but they have gotten way out of hand here. They have even gone to the point of regulating ammo and saying what you can have and how much. As well as the amount of guns you can buy. These steps on boundaries as it's really none of anyone's business if someone who can legally buy one if they want 20 guns or not and the ammo to support them.

The problem is if you give an inch they take a mile.

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And so you prove the point of regulations don't stop people not willing to follow them, as evident by the high death rate of DUIs, Non Licence drivers, and people using their phones.

As far as California in order to buy a gun you need to be certified by a gun safety course and or had a prior hunting licence in the past. You can't just walk in off the street and buy a gun.

I don't mind back ground checks and quite a few things we have here nation wide but they have gotten way out of hand here. They have even gone to the point of regulating ammo and saying what you can have and how much. As well as the amount of guns you can buy. These steps on boundaries as it's really none of anyone's business if someone who can legally buy one if they want 20 guns or not and the ammo to support them.

The problem is if you give an inch they take a mile.

I like this guy's idea. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Dan, I trust you read this link:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-control.html

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You know better than to trust me Steve..

Don't get me wrong, I can agree about some things, but I look as in my state they over stepped the boundaries implementing laws. And then the left winged arguments never hold water, we live and we die... that's life Steve.

I think all you idiots that live and raised their children in hurricane and tornado alley need to move since it's senseless death every year.

You know in SF people are overwhelming the roadways riding bikes as their mode of transportation. We have had a lot of deaths of young people because of it. I'm starting to now see parents using the child carts behind the bikes. I can't help but think that parent is endangering their child for their own beliefs and or needs. They're not in some rural suburbia park or town so what the fuck are they thinking.

The thing is this is a reaction to population growth and as more people inhabit this planet we have far greater numbers of deaths from all manner of living.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And so you prove the point of regulations don't stop people not willing to follow them, as evident by the high death rate of DUIs, Non Licence drivers, and people using their phones.

Looks like the point I proved is that you have the thought process of "since criminals won't follow the law anyway, there is no reason to have laws".

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I like this guy's idea. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec

For sure he's being real, and that's why the lefts arguments don't hold water.

As evedent by all the mass shoting in gun free zones since they made gun free zones.

[Boreas]

Other "biggest hunting states":

31. Texas
33. Virginia
34. South Dakota
37. Vermont
38. Nebraska
42. Iowa
43. California
44. Minnesota
45. New Hampshire
50. Massachusetts

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

The only thing the gas tax hits is my wallet.....but if I could get an assault weapons ban in return for an increase on the gas tax I would make the trade.

I'd go for that too.

No one should have assault weapons except for the Military.

I'd ban them for all civilian use, including law enforcement.

Just don't fuck with my revolvers.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Why are the lefties not all worked up over deaths from the use of cars, alcohol and cell phones? We have a far easier access to them and they cause a far greater death rate.

"Lefties" are responsible, over "Righty" objections, for every safety advance in automobiles from seatbelts onward.

We have laws on the books that require a minimum age, a test and a license to operate a motor vehicle. Try running that past the NRA.

We have laws providing for very stiff penalties for operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol. I know of no law which penalizes the mere firing of a gun while under the influence.

We have laws that penalize texting while driving.