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04-02-2015, 08:24 PM
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So if a business owner has a sincerely held religious belief that Muslims -- or Jews -- are evil and he will not do business with them, is that OK?
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easy question. In the USA you are free to discriminate against the Moslem, not the Jew.
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04-02-2015, 08:44 PM
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Though not conclusive, the research to date points to a biological basis for homosexuality. Apart from clinical data, the very existence of same sex pair bonding among non-human species, species incapable of making a "lifestyle choice", is proof enough for me.
And I didn't answer the question because it wasn't directed to me.
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Sounds like a bit of a leap if faith in your answer as well.
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04-02-2015, 08:47 PM
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What important distinction is there between condoning the behavior and defending it, which you have done repeatedly and on behalf of your own coreligionists?
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Ah, the "if you're not with me you must be against me" logic. Brilliant!
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04-02-2015, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bobabode
Whell, Have happy Easter with the family. I hope you spend a little time in reflection re: Christ's teachings. Remember that the new testament overrides the old one.
Love thy neighbor, Bob
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So we've cancelled the 10 commandments? Wow, I had no idea!
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04-02-2015, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Just to be clear - in none of these statements have I condoned such behavior. I don't, however, believe that anyone should be compelled to act in a manner that inconsistent with sincerely - held religious beliefs.
Now, don't we have laws against discrimination based on someone's religion, ethnicity or national origin? Are you heading down a road where you're equating a lifestyle with a person's religion or ethnicity?
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I identified a scenario where a business owner refused to do business because of the religious belief held by the rejected customer. For example, should it be legal for a photographer refuse to provide services for a Jewish wedding ceremony - conducted according to Judaic law?
Would it make any difference if it were an Islamic wedding ceremony - one conducted according to Sharia law?
Regards,
D-Ray
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04-02-2015, 09:04 PM
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Hindus and Druids are surely, as they practice their religion, as great an affront to Christianity as gay people. They flagrantly break the first commandment.
What reason is there for Christians to tolerate them and provide services and accommodations to them, but not to gays? I hear no one getting on TV or Facebook and saying "No Pizza for Druids!" Why not?
Could it be because bigotry against gays is cranked-up among the fundementalists these days? Otherwise, what explains why don't we hear about the substantial burden of serving Druids and Hindus?
Last edited by donquixote99; 04-02-2015 at 09:11 PM.
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04-02-2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Sounds like a bit of a leap if faith in your answer as well.
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Nope. Objective conclusion based on undisputed facts.
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Originally Posted by whell
Ah, the "if you're not with me you must be against me" logic. Brilliant!
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Nope. Answer the question.
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04-02-2015, 09:30 PM
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You have scientific PROOF of this?
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Marcus Bachmann says he can cure homosexuality. All the proof I need, to know that it's not a choice.
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04-02-2015, 09:42 PM
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Is bisexuality a choice?
Best as I can figure is that we don't have a choice when it comes to our sexual orientation, and there are biological and conditioning orientation aspects.
Sex in and of itself is overrated, not that there's anything wrong with it.
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04-02-2015, 09:49 PM
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So we've cancelled the 10 commandments? Wow, I had no idea! 
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I pity you Whell, you are truly a moronic troll.
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