Ferguson redux

[Pio1980]

If the offensive post was withdrawn thru edit, can we puleeeze get back to discussing the facts of the topic?

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[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

If the offensive post was withdrawn thru edit, can we puleeeze get back to discussing the facts of the topic?

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Done, we happy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2Vx8-yOsQ

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

If the offensive post was withdrawn thru edit, can we puleeeze get back to the topic?

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As to the content of his op-ed piece, it generally corresponds to what my views of the Ferguson events have been all along (i.e., Officer Wilson's actions were defensible, but the rioting in the streets (based upon the false "hands-up, don't shoot meme) as well as the police department's behavior vis-a-vis the black community were not)).

[Boreas]

For me, this doesn't change much. Perhaps Mike Brown was an inappropriate symbol but the cause he came to represent is a just one and the town of Ferguson is most certainly an appropriate symbol of the problems the demonstrators seek to address.

John

[Tom Joad]

This is one mans opinion.

I have no doubt the Police doctored and/or with held evidence.

As for the hands up witness, he claims there was only one.

There were more.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1935949

"He had his f---ing hands up," one man says in the footage, as he holds his hands above his head.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Done, we happy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2Vx8-yOsQ

Tom, thank you, and you are welcome of course to participate. I opened this new thread because the other one had long deteriorated into a sewer of recriminations where no clear linear discussion of the facts of the occurance was possible.

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[bobabode]

To be fair, the 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' meme grew out of an eyewitness account of the shooting. There was a white out of town construction worker who said that Mike Brown had his hands up when shot. Correct or not, apparently the DOJ disagreed in their report.

If one good thing came out of this, it's shown that race relations in America have a long, long way to go.

edit - Beat me to it Tom. Thanks for the link.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

To be fair, the 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' meme grew out of an eyewitness account of the shooting. There was a white out of town construction worker who said that Mike Brown had his hands up when shot. Correct or not, apparently the DOJ disagreed in their report.

If one good thing came out of this, it's shown that race relations in America have a long, long way to go.

Check the link that I posted above out.

It's got video of one of the witnesses raising his hands as he says "He had his fucking hands up!".

Then, if you remember, at first the Chief of Police said that Wilson had no knowledge of the Convenience store robbery when he stopped Brown. Then, several days later that narrative changed. That raises a great big red flag for me.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Boreas

For me, this doesn't change much. Perhaps Mike Brown was an inappropriate symbol but the cause he came to represent is a just one and the town of Ferguson is most certainly an appropriate symbol of the problems the demonstrators seek to address.

John

There is no doubt in my mind that the Ferguson Police Department created a toxic environment of policing by intimidation and that this contributed greatly to the incident between Wilson and Brown escalating the way it did.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

There is no doubt in my mind that the Ferguson Police Department created a toxic environment of policing by intimidation and that this contributed greatly to the incident between Wilson and Brown escalating the way it did.

I (we) also have no way of knowing if contact was initiated civilly or confrontationally disrespectful before the altercation, not that might have changed the subject's willingness to discuss recent activities.

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