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[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Are you an idiot in real life or do you just play one here with postings like this.
I decided I could never be a Libertarian when it became obvious that they think that profit driven enterprize would self-regulate for the good of the public and their employees without meaningful oversight or enforceable standards.
Regulation exists because the greedy bullies can't play nice without an incorruptable grownup in the room to make and enforce the rules of behavior. If you can't understand that then you are dangerously delusional.

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Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grownups"

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grow ups"

Which fact shoots a hole in both your theories. Still, with sensible regulation, there's the hope that some of the grownups among both the regulators and the regulated will behave themselves some of the time. Without regulations, though, we'll live in the world of Dagny Taggart.

John

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grownups"

The ones who vote for those who manage oversight? Probably some truth there, I live in a red State that (re)-elected a moron to chief justice.
Still, I'd like to have some effective say in how my food and medication is QC'ed rather than trusting the lawyered-up for-profit commercial system to sort it out via body count after the fact, as in the days before the FDA.

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[Pio1980]

I feel kinda bad about slamming our Northern colleague, but I am flummoxed by unawareness of how we got to where we are with the FDA, as if there are no overarching historical precedents that made it's establishment an absolute necessity.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

I feel kinda bad about slamming our Northern colleague, but I am flummoxed by unawareness of how we got to where we are with the FDA, as if there are no overarching historical precedents that made it's establishment an absolute necessity.

Please don't beat yourself up about how you treat me my friend, I assure you my tolerance for scorn is sufficient to weather what comes.
I am not ignorant of the history. I read Sinclair in school, as most of us did, I'm sure.
Today the FDA is a corrupt, stinking behemoth deep in bed with big pharma and big food, no different than the MIC.
For decades, many other countries around the world have saved themselves billions by simply emulating U.S. standards. Why don't we adopt the same policy for food safety that we are taking in foreign affairs and just stop leading?
Defund the FDA and we'll just follow the lead of other prominent nations. We'll lead from behind.

[Pio1980]

At least you have a plan. I still don't trust folks that have proven themselves untrustworthy to put safety before profit.

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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Please don't beat yourself up about how you treat me my friend, I assure you my tolerance for scorn is sufficient to weather what comes.
I am not ignorant of the history. I read Sinclair in school, as most of us did, I'm sure.
Today the FDA is a corrupt, stinking behemoth deep in bed with big pharma and big food, no different than the MIC.
For decades, many other countries around the world have saved themselves billions by simply emulating U.S. standards. Why don't we adopt the same policy for food safety that we are taking in foreign affairs and just stop leading?
Defund the FDA and we'll just follow the lead of other prominent nations. We'll lead from behind.

Up on your pygmy pony again Was? Pbbbbttt.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Ike, you just got done saying the gov should not have shit to say about what we put in our bodies. Now you want them to dictate who can sell you what? Please make up your mind.
We have no restaurant inspections here in beautiful Wasilla, and yet the rate of food poisoning has not skyrocketed. Weird huh?

How's about you read my post. Where TF did I say anything about what powers I think the government should or should not have? All I did was ask if you were some sort of strict constructionist. Then I said what I believe to be the founders intent. Where did I say I agreed with them?

Remind me to stay of any restaurants in Wasilla...not that I would be caught dead in Wasilla.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The ones who vote for those who manage oversight? Probably some truth there, I live in a red State that (re)-elected a moron to chief justice.
Still, I'd like to have some effective say in how my food and medication is QC'ed rather than trusting the lawyered-up for-profit commercial system to sort it out via body count after the fact, as in the days before the FDA.

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I work in the food industry, (manufacturing). When the FDA schedules an inspection, we sweat it. Then, there are the inspection companies that customers hire to audit our plant. Some are fairly tight, some just seem to come and go unnoticed by most on the factory floor. Why? I don't know. But, it does seem a bit inconsistent.

In theory, an inspector hired by the customer has a vested interest in doing a thorough job. If a problem escapes them and causes lawsuits or whatever, they lose future contracts. But, being too anal, causing delays and additional costs can also become an issue.

So, I'd have to agree with you. The impartial auditor, who has nothing to lose from citing a plant for discrepancies is more favorable. However, I would say the more, the merrier. FDA inspections AND private audits.

Dave