Terrorists in France Create Outrage

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Yes, we have our own Bachmann here (Michele). Xenophobia is one of the arrows in her quiver too.

The PEGIDA seem to be part of, or influenced, by the broader far right German Identity Movement. These groups seem to be popping up all over Europe and even enjoying electoral success. We have our Tea Party, of course, but at least so far, they haven't exhibited the militancy of Jobbik in Hungary, the Romanian Noua Dreaptă or the Banderist Right Sector in Ukraine.

Weirdly, members of the "1%" biker gangs in Germany and other countries are taking direct action. There's a growing number who have traveled to Syria and the Kurdistan Region to take on Daesh directly.

John

The situation is dangerous. We have a new party, the ultra right Alternative Für Deutschland (AFD) which sympathizes with Pegida. The incident in Paris brings AFD and Pegida even closer together. A lot of Germans are disappointed by the Classical German conservative Party CDU with Angela Merkel, this party indeed shifted a bit into the left liberal corner in the last years so there is hardly a difference now between the classical left party SPD and the CDU.

Ultra right wing popularity is not only a German or US phenomenon, we can see such developments also in other countries like France with it's successful Front Nationale.

The Islam is global serious issue because it is so deeply involved into the Islamism. It is sad that so many reasonable Moslems suffer from this development.

[Ike Bana]

And at the risk of bringing down the righteous outrage of my fellow leftists...take a look at the Wiki list of acts of Islamic terrorism. Which flag is missing from the victimized countries? The flag of Israel. The only reason the Israelis haven't suffered an incident since 1989, when they're the most hated infidels of all, is that Israel has decided they won't sit still for any of this bullshit and if there's a hint of any radical Islamic terrorism erupting in their midst they will crush it like a roach on the countertop before it ever comes close to happening.

But it's the Israelis who are the "nazis". Yeh, sure.

[HarmanKardon]

I just would like to explain what this acronym means:

Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes.

Patriotic Europeans Opposing The Islamisation Of The Occident.

Most of the people are weakheads but there are also dangerous NeoNazis amongst them. Even their leader has previous convictions but he bewares not crossing the red line so he cannot be prosecuted.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

Ultra right wing popularity is not only a German or US phenomenon, we can see such developments also in other countries like France with it's successful Front Nationale.

Yes, I mentioned several of the right wing parties in Europe but neglected to include Marine Le Pen's FN party, Greece's Golden Dawn and, lest we forget, the Nigel Farage's UKIP. There are others as well.

As you suggest, the attack on Charlie Hebdo is going to have far reaching effects. It's almost guaranteed to produce a surge in the popularity of even the most marginal of far right parties. I'm afraid we'll see them make significant electoral gains throughout Europe and possibly in North America and Australia.

The ones that really bear watching are the ones with a quasi-military organization, particularly in countries in which there is economic dislocation and turmoil.

It's not a good time to be a Muslim in Europe, or a Roma or Jew.

John

[HarmanKardon]

The exodus of so many political refugees from Syria and other Middle East countries in the last years triggered this situation. Terrorists just have to pour some gas into the fire, and entire societies get into danger to explode.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And at the risk of bringing down the righteous outrage of my fellow leftists...take a look at the Wiki list of acts of Islamic terrorism. Which flag is missing from the victimized countries? The flag of Israel. The only reason the Israelis haven't suffered an incident since 1989, when they're the most hated infidels of all, is that Israel has decided they won't sit still for any of this bullshit and if there's a hint of any radical Islamic terrorism erupting in their midst they will crush it like a roach on the countertop before it ever comes close to happening.

But it's the Israelis who are the "nazis". Yeh, sure.

This begs the question as to why Israel continues to perpetrate atrocities against the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and to continue to dispossess them by building illegal settlements. Is the "solution" Israel has found to continually and relentlessly hammer the Palestinians so that they can't raise their heads out of the dust?

Preemptive collective punishment?

Oh, and who here called the Israelis "Nazis"?

John

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

The exodus of so many political refugees from Syria and other Middle East countries in the last years triggered this situation. Terrorists just have to pour some gas into the fire, and entire societies get into danger to explode.

The Muslim terrorist cannot see beyond his nose.

In this situation European right is RIGHT. Who wants to see their community change overnight into Baghdad?

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

. Who wants to see their community change overnight into Baghdad?

This is the argument of the stupid masses. I also do not want this. But there is actually no threat that the culture of the European Nations and societies could seriously be endangered by an islamic minorty - and they will always remain a minority, I am sure about that.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

This begs the question as to why Israel continues to perpetrate atrocities against the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and to continue to dispossess them by building illegal settlements. Is the "solution" Israel has found to continually and relentlessly hammer the Palestinians so that they can't raise their heads out of the dust?

Preemptive collective punishment?

Oh, and who here called the Israelis "Nazis"?

John

Because they can? Take away the veto power of the permanent members in the UN and the situation will change.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

The exodus of so many political refugees from Syria and other Middle East countries in the last years triggered this situation. Terrorists just have to pour some gas into the fire, and entire societies get into danger to explode.

You also don't get to change the rules and culture of the host nation. Operative word is assimilate.