Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

One, many in the party of increasing government power seems to love hammering enforcement.

That's because we're so************************ts, not fascists, like you baggers.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'm still working on my armchair diagnosis to explain your sense of intellectual inferiority. I suppose, working in a field that treats every human affliction, from acne to athlete's foot, with benzodiazepines and SSRI's, an accurate diagnosis is unimportant. Take 2 Xanax and a couple of Prozac and call me in the morning. If this doesn't work out for you, we'll move on to Zyprexa.

You're gonna wear out your Googlebone finn. Are you sure you want to run that thing down to a nub just to continue to demonstrate that you don't know jack shit about mental illness or the treatment of it.

Those crazy motherfuckers eh finn? Only slightly less a pain in the ass than your common or garden white tail lawn rat. I suppose we can comfortably drop Jews into that mix as well, eh?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Take 2 Xanax and a couple of Prozac and call me in the morning. If this doesn't work out for you, we'll move on to Zyprexa.

I got a better idea.

How about you order up a nice big 7 yard dump truck load of sand and have it delivered in a big pile in your front yard.

Then go up to the hardware store and buy yourself a hammer.

Then take that hammer, sit down in the middle of that pile, and pound all that sand up your ass?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I got a better idea.

How about you order up a nice big 7 yard dump truck load of sand and have it delivered in a big pile in your front yard.

Then go up to the hardware store and buy yourself a hammer.

Then take that hammer, sit down in the middle of that pile, and pound all that sand up your ass?

You're cute when getting intellectually destroyed.

Hence, you're cute a lot.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Are you sure you want to run that thing down to a nub just to continue to demonstrate that you don't know jack shit about mental illness or the treatment of it.

Nor does a lot of the mental health care community, FWIW. As a close friend, a lead psychiatric researcher at NIH and staff psychiatrist at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda (he is also a doctor of internal medicine) often tells me "Modern medicine understands most things from the neck down and almost nothing from the neck up."

And if you believe that psychotropic drugs are not inappropriately and vastly over-prescribed in the United States, I strongly recommend some continuing education.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nor does a lot of the mental health care community, FWIW. As a close friend, a lead psychiatric researcher at NIH and staff psychiatrist at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda (he is also a doctor of internal medicine) often tells me "Modern medicine understands most things from the neck down and almost nothing from the neck up."

And if you believe that psychotropic drugs are not inappropriately and vastly over-prescribed in the United States, I strongly recommend some continuing education.

If psychotropics are vastly over prescribed its not due to the practices of board certified psychiatrists. It's due to the behavior of family practice docs who are afraid to say no to their drug seeking patients for fear of losing income in their practices. Particularly in the case of the bags fulla benzodiazipines they mindlessly prescribe to the addict and alcoholic patients they have failed to identify.

Now...regarding your very special psychiatrist friend (I'm sure all your friends are so extra-special) in my considerable experience the higher a doc goes in the ranks the way way less he/she is connected to the realities of mental health treatment.

And of course heath care in this country is fucked up, its run by the insurance industry and lawyers.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

If psychotropics are vastly over prescribed its not due to the practices of board certified psychiatrists. It's due to the behavior of family practice docs who are afraid to say no to their drug seeking patients for fear of losing income in their practices. Particularly in the case of the bags fulla benzodiazipines they mindlessly prescribe to the addict and alcoholic patients they have failed to identify.

Now...regarding your very special psychiatrist friend (I'm sure all your friends are so extra-special) in my considerable experience the higher a doc goes in the ranks the way way less he/she is connected to the realities of mental health treatment.

And of course heath care in this country is fucked up, its run by the insurance industry and lawyers.

You know I have often wondered that we ban advertising of spirits in magazines and on TV but every magazine that come into this house has one page devoted to the latest 'wonder drug' followed by four pages of the horrible side effects.

And the ones on TV where they say 'tell your doctor what drugs you are taking' excuse me if I am taking any it is because he prescribed them.

I am all for banning drug advertising and with some doctors I would suggest they tell the druggist what you need and let him/her select the drug as they are usually more up to date.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by merrylander

You know I have often wondered that we ban advertising of spirits in magazines and on TV but every magazine that come into this house has one page devoted to the latest 'wonder drug' followed by four pages of the horrible side effects.

And the ones on TV where they say 'tell your doctor what drugs you are taking' excuse me if I am taking any it is because he prescribed them.

I am all for banning drug advertising and with some doctors I would suggest they tell the druggist what you need and let him/her select the drug as they are usually more up to date.

Big pharma lies like dogs. When they are confronted with how RX is managed in the EU and that sick people are not forced to decide between food and meds in the EU, you know what we get from big pharma. We get..."Our R&D costs for bringing new drugs to market will be overwhelming if our profit margins are controlled. Sick people who need these new products will die...blah...blah."

Which is utter bullshit since big pharma spends more money on advertising than they spend, or ever have spent, on R&D.

And...big pharma also knows that their advertising causes idiotic Americans to run to their idiotic primary care docs (GP's and in the case of idiotic American women, idiotic OB/GYN primary care docs) who won't say 'no' to their patient demands for the wonder drug they see on the TeeVee. Most of the board certified psychiatrists I know will not allow their patients to dictate what psychotropics they will be prescribing.

[barbara]

The senior population can thank the administration that brought us Medicare reform for the strangle hold the pharmacy companies have on us. There was a clause in that legislation that restricted negotiating for lower price drugs from competing foreign companies. The selling point was that foreign pharmaceuticals are not regulated as stringently. The reality is that many of the drug companies produce for both countries using the same regulations.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by barbara

The senior population can thank the administration that brought us Medicare reform for the strangle hold the pharmacy companies have on us. There was a clause in that legislation that restricted negotiating for lower price drugs from competing foreign companies. The selling point was that foreign pharmaceuticals are not regulated as stringently. The reality is that many of the drug companies produce for both countries using the same regulations.

Add to that the majority of these drug companies ARE foreign, based in England and Switzerland. The only blessing is that there are equally effective generics that are extremely cheaper.

When the FDA opened it pompous mouth and railed against seniors that were busing to Canada and said that they could not guarantee the quality, they are the same drugs from the same companies.

Plus they have offices in this country for only one reason - access to NIH and University research because all they have come up with on their owe are the famous ED drugs whose names we can't use here.

When their patents run out the tweak the formula and get a new patent, Unfortunately it is this tweaking that introduces the terrible side effects.

Then there is the new hepatitis C cure that will only cost you $100,000 (or your firstborn).