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11-30-2014, 10:37 AM
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For such a cut and dried case, there sure are a lot of protests by citizens around the US. I wonder why.
I have already conceded that if Brown assaulted Wilson, then Wilson shooting to kill Brown is justified. Questions I have are the circumstances and events leading up to it. These have not been explained yet. Next issue I have is how and who presented this case to the Grand Jury. By all accounts a sham. This was done to pacify the public is utter nonsense. You either have the evidence or you don't. In fact very little effort was made to even gather evidence from what we can see.
So is the lack of evidence due to lack of an effort to gather evidence? The DA should have recused himself as the citizens of Ferguson wanted instead of conducting a sham Grand Jury "tiral" in the pretext of placating the citizenry, the very same that wanted you to step aside. How is that for logic.
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11-30-2014, 10:40 AM
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Then he should have recused himself. But instead he went ahead and put on a sham. As for "assuaging the mob" as you so eloquently describe it, you don't accomplish much in the way of winning the hearts and minds by putting on an obvious sham like he did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5691472.html
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So, DA's should recuse themselves every time that evidence does not support an indictment?
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11-30-2014, 10:43 AM
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So, DA's should recuse themselves every time that evidence does not support an indictment?
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Every time he has already predetermined what the outcome is going to be beforehand.
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11-30-2014, 10:44 AM
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For such a cut and dried case, there sure are a lot of protests by citizens around the US. I wonder why.
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I don't. They're protesting the general state of affairs within the black community (e.g., police abuse, disparate drug enforcement, unemployment, poverty, bad schools ...) while conflating it with Brown's shooting (as is also true on this board, BTW).
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11-30-2014, 10:50 AM
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I don't. They're protesting the general state of affairs within the black community (e.g., police abuse, disparate drug enforcement, unemployment, poverty, bad schools ...) while conflating it with Brown's shooting (as is also true on this board, BTW).
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I believe that Wilson was an overly aggressive in his policing tactics as was the entire Ferguson police force. You wouldn't have this kind of backlash if that were not true.
I also think that Wilson flew into an out of control rage when Brown showed him disrespect, which is why he pursued him and shot him to death.
His actions are to me irrational.
If you are attacked through the window of your vehicle the rational thing to do is hit the gas, not draw your gun.
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11-30-2014, 11:01 AM
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I believe that Wilson was an overly aggressive in his policing tactics as was the entire Ferguson police force. You wouldn't have this kind of backlash if that were not true.
I also think that Wilson flew into an out of control rage when Brown showed him disrespect, which is why he pursued him and shot him to death.
His actions are to me irrational.
If you are attacked through the window of your vehicle the rational thing to do is hit the gas, not draw your gun.
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For a cop? Assaulting a cop and going for his gun is a felony. So, a cop should just drive away from a felony in progress? Maybe in your fuzzy-thinking world.
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11-30-2014, 11:14 AM
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Finnbow, wouldn't you agree that IF the officer provided sworn testimony that the assailant sought to take his gun from him, and that he KNEW that Brown's fingerprints were on the Sig, and that he(the officer) properly handled and prepped the gun for evidence, that said gun would then be TESTED for fingerprints?
Also, why do you think Wilson was so worried about having Brown's bloodsplatter on him, that he almost immediately needed to wash it off thoroughly at the station?
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11-30-2014, 11:18 AM
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For a cop? Assaulting a cop and going for his gun is a felony. So, a cop should just drive away from a felony in progress? Maybe in your fuzzy-thinking world. 
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Who said drive away.
You hit the gas and move the vehicle 5-10 feet.
Threat over.
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11-30-2014, 11:21 AM
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Finnbow, wouldn't you agree that IF the officer provided sworn testimony that the assailant sought to take his gun from him, and that he KNEW that Brown's fingerprints were on the Sig, and that he(the officer) properly handled and prepped the gun for evidence, that said gun would then be TESTED for fingerprints?
Also, why do you think Wilson was so worried about having Brown's bloodsplatter on him, that he almost immediately needed to wash it off thoroughly at the station?
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I'm not so sure Wilson wasn't the aggressor.
I doubt he was courteous and professional when he first approached Brown.
I think by the reaction of the people in the community it's pretty obvious that the cops act like assholes most of the time. Eventually people get sick of it and act out.
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11-30-2014, 11:24 AM
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So, DA's should recuse themselves every time that evidence does not support an indictment?
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Finnbow, do you have a problem with contracted prosecutors handling felony cases in St. Louis county? Don't look twice, because they are (and have been) doing such every single month for the past decade or so.
That is another balloon popped.
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