Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

By definition, the truth has to comport with the physical evidence. The police didn't strategically drill holes in Brown's body to simulate bullet holes, nor put soot in the wound in his right hand to simulate a close-contact wound. If the story was fabricated, that indicates a grand conspiracy. Such grand conspiracies are nearly impossible to pull off and keep secret. Wilson would have had to start planning it well before he encountered Brown on the street.

Could you expand on your thinking a bit more? Please give an example of what makes you think your last sentence is true.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Could you expand on your thinking a bit more? Please give an example of what makes you think your last sentence is true.

Grand conspiracies involve a lot of people and planning and eventually one of the people involved opens his yap. Conspiracies don't just happen spur of the moment.

[sheltiedave]

Conspiracies are not required to start before a certain point in time, Finnbow. And conspiracies do not need to be overarching, and comprise every single person in the process.

We have a typical incident scene at the Brown/Wilson fiasco. We have confusion over what happened at the Tahoe. We have 75% of the pertinent physical evidence of the Tahoe confrontation compromised, untold, or removed.Namely, Wilson washed the blood from his hands and arms, the Sig has NEVER been analyzed for fingerprints, and we know not know the bullet path of Brown's thumb injury.

We do know that Brown then fled 135 feet to his death(by my measured travel wheel) reckoning, and from the Post Dispatch article of today, 153 feet from the door of the Tahoe. It has been noted that not a single drop of Brown's blood was detected between the Tahoe and his body on the ground, another strange shortcoming of the investigation, especially with the police having over four hours to comb the scene.

We find out that Wilson had another "interview conversation" with his superior the day after the event, unrecorded again, reviewing his statement of the previous day at the scene. This makes two days in a row that Wilson and the Ferguson PD did not follow county and state police guidelines regarding criminal investigation protocols.

The asst. medical examiner did not follow protocol for photographing the scene either, making it a good day for not following protocol all around.

We still have questions regarding Brown's injuries, We have questions regarding why Wilson was so adamant he needed to wash all Brown's blood from his hands and arms at the police station, alone, and before the blood evidence was photographed. We wonder how long Wilson's phone interview with his supervisor lasted, the day after the incident, and whether the conversation ranged beyond his fifteen second conversation of the previous day.

I won't even delve into all the kangaroo court proceedings, as they mock the very purpose of prosecutor conduct before a grand jury, namely presenting a coherent legal product.

At a trial, all of these threads of potential discontinuity are examined, until the prosecutor discovers which threads are broken, and then they get chased down to the awkward answers. This is why many of us advocate for a trial, not because we are a mob, not because we are liberals, not because we are idiots, but because we believe our system of justice is predicated on adversarial legal teams that best serve getting to the truth, which (hopefully) leads to justice.

[finnbow]

Navel gazer.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Grand conspiracies involve a lot of people and planning and eventually one of the people involved opens his yap. Conspiracies don't just happen spur of the moment.

OK. So you're offering the following syllogism:

P1: All Grand Conspiracies are complex, require considerable preparation, and are likely to leak.

P2: If Wilson is guilty, this must have been covered up by a Grand Conspiracy.

C: A Grand Conspiracy is not evident, therefore Wilson must be innocent.


I asked for specifics, hoping for support for premise 2. You have simply stated premise 1, as if all else was self-evident after that. But P1 really isn't where the big issues lie, with your logic. Briefly, I don't see why a Grand Conspiracy to fake evidence is called-for, as P2 claims. For one thing, a small conspiracy to not-gather, misinterpret, or ignore evidence might suffice. And I don't see that your conclusion necessarily follows. There might be other reasons why the 'Grand Conspiracy' might not be evident, besides Wilson's innocence.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Navel gazer.

Closed mind.

[sheltiedave]

Capitol felony investigations, by their very nature, are navel gazing events. That is why Wilson and the asst. das naval gazed at each other in rapt fawning awe for over four hours over a one minute slam dunk case.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I said nothing of steering.

It had nothing to do with a fix. The evidence simply didn't support a prosecution.

You have already admitted that McCullogh had decided Wilson was innocent of any wrongdoing beforehand.

And we can readily see from the transcript that Wilson's version of the incident was accepted as Gospel with no cross examination.

That fits my definition of a "fix".

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You have already admitted that McCullogh had decided Wilson was innocent of any wrongdoing beforehand.

That fits my definition of a "fix".

I believe what I said is that McCullough knew that there was not a preponderance of evidence supporting an indictment and that he was effectively forced by political and public pressure to convene a grand jury in an effort to assuage the mob.

The grand jury ship has sailed and a dispassionate analysis (such as that done by the criminal law professor in the link I provided earlier) shows that there was not a preponderance of evidence supporting an indictment. Though this doesn't comport with the knee-jerk accusations of murder and execution bandied about by some on this board, it comports with the facts. Get over it.

Now, it goes to the Justice Department. Given Eric Holder's proclivities (and I generally like Holder from his time as US Attorney and District Court Judge here), he will investigate every angle to see if there was a civil rights violation. Though he may find one with the Ferguson PD in general (though it will likely won't be a violation, but recommendations), I doubt he'll find one with Wilson, given the evidence. However, I'm willing to take a dispassionate look at his findings once they come out.

The only thing this navel-gazing and conspiracy-theorizing shows is that folks who went out on a limb accusing Wilson of murder are unwilling to admit that they jumped the gun and got it wrong. His innocence doesn't dispel the notion that there is a problem of police misconduct against minorities in general, just as his conviction would not prove that the problem is pervasive everywhere. The case (and all others) stands and falls on its own merits.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I believe what I said is that McCullough knew that there was not a preponderance of evidence supporting an indictment

Then he should have recused himself. But instead he went ahead and put on a sham. As for "assuaging the mob" as you so eloquently describe it, you don't accomplish much in the way of winning the hearts and minds by putting on an obvious sham like he did.

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