Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If you've attacked me, you're still standing, and are within a car length?

You're a threat.

Human beings are harder to bring down than you might expect. There are classic police training cases of mortally wounded individuals murdering officers before they expire.

That's why you fire until complete neutralization.

Your arguments keep failing because you just plain don't know the codified models.

Try to remember. Do you recall me saying that I'm OK with Wilson firing if Brown takes a step toward him? What I'm not OK with is Wilson firing at Browns back as he's running away. Just that. That's an attempted murder, if it occurred, and I think there should be a trial so a jury can decide if it did or not.

And stop thinking in terms of arguments 'succeeding' or 'failing.' Stop being so adversarial. What's the need?

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If the victim were to have been a Neo-Nazi skinhead under the exact same circumstances, I bet the partisan divide on this shooting would flip 180 degrees.

Not me. I despise Nazis and just belonging to one of those hateful groups would give me reason to doubt him. Almost as much as actually robbing someone.

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That's just crap which I have studied for years, based in a variety of mediums, tested in the field.

The vast majority of criminal behavior is precisely based in entitlement documented in all manner of areas including sociology, psychology, profiling, economics, etc.

In general, the non possession of something (could be food, could be as amorphous as respect) combined with the overall belief that it should be possessed leads to a rationalized decision that it can be taken regardless of consequence.

What's that called, again?

Oh, yeah.

Entitlement.

And you know what? I am superior to those people.

One would hope you are, too?

Bullshit Zeke. Utter fucking flatulent bullshit. OJ got away with murder. He should be in prison for committing murder. What you're suggesting is that one way or another OJ ended up in prison and it doesn't matter for what reason or on what charge...justice is served. Royal goddamn bullshit, Zeke.

Your twisted thinking is the same cretinous copper bullshit that kept Rolando Cruz on death row for the better part of 12 years when DuPage County, IL law enforcement and prosecutors who convicted Cruz knew good and goddamn well that serial killer Brian Dugan murdered 10 year old Jeanine Nicarico. Law enforcement and prosecutors covered up their suppression of evidence and other prosecutorial misconduct and would have gladly seen Cruz executed for something he didn't do, before they admitted their bad acts. And you want to talk about entitlement? And their entitlement never stops. The same motherfuckers who paid a $3million settlement to Cruz and two other innocent guys in this case are still saying, "Cruz is a bad actor, we took him off the streets, he should still be in jail. These are the good guys???

Really Zeke? If there's a pattern of entitlement in career criminals it doesn't exceed the entitled law enforcement and prosecutorial behavior we see by much. You do understand Zeke that fully 25% of those exonerated by DNA evidence over the past decade had, under police lying, duress, and torture, confessed to crimes they had not committed. I particularly like the "lying" part. The cops can lie their asses off to anybody they pick up on the street to get what they want. But if an innocent person lies to the cops, he's going to jail whether he's actually guilty of anything else or not. Utter goddamn bullshit. Just ask Marty Tankleff what a lying-ass narcissistically entitled detective cost him. "Just before your father died, he said you did it Marty." Fuck you McReady...just go fuck yourself.*

And does it matter to you how fucking dismissive and officious coppers act in their daily contact with the public because they think they're better than everybody else? You're a member of a segment of society that isn't any better than anybody, and often no better than the criminals...no better than the guilty ones they catch and the innocent ones they lock up even though they know they're doing wrong.

You're supposed to be the good guys...it's the worst sort of entitlement.



*http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4569305.html

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Bullshit Zeke. Utter fucking flatulent bullshit. OJ got away with murder. He should be in prison for committing murder. What you're suggesting is that one way or another OJ ended up in prison and it doesn't matter for what reason or on what charge...justice is served. Royal goddamn bullshit, Zeke.

Your twisted thinking is the same cretinous copper bullshit that kept Rolando Cruz on death row for the better part of 12 years when DuPage County, IL law enforcement and prosecutors who convicted Cruz knew good and goddamn well that serial killer Brian Dugan murdered 10 year old Jeanine Nicarico. Law enforcement and prosecutors covered up their suppression of evidence and other prosecutorial misconduct and would have gladly seen Cruz executed for something he didn't do, before they admitted their bad acts. And you want to talk about entitlement? And their entitlement never stops. The same motherfuckers who paid a $3million settlement to Cruz and two other innocent guys in this case are still saying, "Cruz is a bad actor, we took him off the streets, he should still be in jail. These are the good guys???

Really Zeke? If there's a pattern of entitlement in career criminals it doesn't exceed the entitled law enforcement and prosecutorial behavior we see by much. You do understand Zeke that fully 25% of those exonerated by DNA evidence over the past decade had, under police lying, duress, and torture, confessed to crimes they had not committed. I particularly like the "lying" part. The cops can lie their asses off to anybody they pick up on the street to get what they want. But if an innocent person lies to the cops, he's going to jail whether he's actually guilty of anything else or not. Utter goddamn bullshit. Just ask Marty Tankleff what a lying-ass narcissistically entitled detective cost him. "Just before your father died, he said you did it Marty." Fuck you McReady...just go fuck yourself.

And does it matter to you how fucking dismissive and officious coppers act in their daily contact with the public because they think they're better than everybody else? You're a member of a segment of society that isn't any better than anybody, and often no better than the criminals...no better than the guilty ones they catch and the innocent ones they lock up even though they know they're doing wrong.

You're supposed to be the good guys...it's the worst sort of entitlement.

Awesome post IKE.

Except for the first paragraph where you appear to have attributed something I said to Zeke.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Awesome post IKE.

Except for the first paragraph where you appear to have attributed something I said to Zeke.

Aw shucks TJ.

But hey...I know what you said and what Zeke said. I believe Zeke, whether he said it directly or not, thinks OJ is put away and everything is settled. IMHO everything is not settled. Zeke's a cop. (If he actually is a cop. Does anybody really know that Zeke's a cop?) He's not interested in justice, he's interested in being an apologist for bad cops.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Awesome post IKE.

Except for the first paragraph where you appear to have attributed something I said to Zeke.

And where he built (then knocked down) his own straw man which adds nothing to any presumed argument...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I believe Zeke, whether he said it directly or not, thinks OJ is put away and everything is settled.

Which shows your overt and ongoing lack of intelligence regarding the English language.

Nothing is "settled" related to OJ, it's merely the best you're going to get...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Try to remember. Do you recall me saying that I'm OK with Wilson firing if Brown takes a step toward him? What I'm not OK with is Wilson firing at Browns back as he's running away. Just that. That's an attempted murder, if it occurred, and I think there should be a trial so a jury can decide if it did or not.

And stop thinking in terms of arguments 'succeeding' or 'failing.' Stop being so adversarial. What's the need?

1. No back injuries.
2. Grand Jury supersedes trial: if you don't possess enough evidence, there...

This isn't complex?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

And where he built (then knocked down) his own straw man which adds nothing to any presumed argument...

As long as someone is bitch slapping your ass, I consider it a good post.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Which shows your overt and ongoing lack of intelligence regarding the English language.

Nothing is "settled" related to OJ, it's merely the best you're going to get...

Powerful point by point retort Zeke. Whenever you've had your ass handed to you om a plate its alway this same, tired, lame-ass blubbering.