18 and Dead.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Now, you're just being willfully ignorant.

So it's willfully ignorant to think that you should not shoot an unarmed person who has their hands up?

How do you think shooting an unarmed teenager with his hands up will play to a jury if this ever comes to trial?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by nailer

I stated the facts of this case as presented in this thread. There are two key unanswered knowable facts that are key to investigating this crime. The officer didn't know about the cigar heist. Why do you keep using it to support your position?

Everything was better until the gun was fired.

Because the perp is a suspected cigar booster???

I was, actually, trying to help your point by suggesting there may have been ANY reason to secure back up but, if you prefer that we discount any robbery for purposes of requiring some, now you're just desirous of more than one cruiser for a jaywalker?

Bottom line? If you don't assault a cop, then you don't get shot.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

It's better to jump out of the car and shoot a rousted jaywalker who hit you than to let him get away?

That's a damned good point Nailer, but since you're out to get me forget I ever said that.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

...how much "training" does it take to learn not to shoot an unarmed person who has their hands up?

More than it takes to shoot them.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly the message they wanted to send. And sad to say, from the way the tone of a number of posters right here on this forum changed after it came out, it appears to have had the desired effect.

Yep.

Only big mistake they made was putting the bad stuff on Brown out in the same news conference with the same spokesman as the identification of Wilson. That made the tactical purpose too bloody obvious.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

How do you think shooting an unarmed teenager with his hands up will play to a jury if this ever comes to trial?

I'll think you'll get that he assaulted an officer, the altercation was continuous, he was still within a danger zone and had not submitted to police control.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

That's a damned good point Nailer, but since you're out to get me forget I ever said that.

All my points are good.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you. Did you just see that red dot.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Yep.

Only big mistake they made was putting the bad stuff on Brown out in the same news conference with the same spokesman as the identification of Wilson. That made the tactical purpose too bloody obvious.

Yeah, it wasn't exactly subtle was it?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'll think you'll get that he assaulted an officer, the altercation was continuous, he was still within a danger zone and had not submitted to police control.

Hands up is the universal sign of surrender.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Yep.

Only big mistake they made was putting the bad stuff on Brown out in the same news conference with the same spokesman as the identification of Wilson. That made the tactical purpose too bloody obvious.

Not putting out
the related robbery incident would be withholding critical information directly bearing on the encounter and outcome.

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