18 and Dead.

[Tom Joad]

So it looks like Brown has already been tried and convicted of strong arm robbery.

On the basis of what?

That grainy video?

How do we know that wasn't taken in a convenience store in Detroit or Houston?

How many 300 lbs. black teenagers are there?

A lot.

Has anyone heard of the nationwide obesity and diabetes epidemic?

Oh, the perp was wearing T-shirt, shorts and Tennis shoes?

That narrows it down.

T=shirt, shorts and tennis shoes is only the summer uniform of the day for may'be 50 million people, and I'm one of them.

Where are the cigars?

Since Brown was short only 10 minutes after he allegedly stole 50 cigars surely the pockets of his shorts must have been bulging with them.

And where's the little feller that was roughed up in the video?

What does he have to say about all this?

Has he positively IDed Brown as his assailant?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by nailer

It's a lot easier to use evidence to support a story than to use evidence to reconstruct an actual event.

Unfortunately, yes, but it's compelling to Sherlock the available data as it arises.

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

My intent was not to suggest that you, specifically had done so, Finn. Nor did I, nor did Zeke. I purposefully exclude 5 below and the other usual suspects who take their typical bonehead con positions on such things. I find that in this instance, most of the lefty's hereabouts have simply placed themselves on the other side of the same rigid ideological coin.

My point was that those who have challenged the prevailing attitude hereabouts have taken considerable heat for it. And now...now where there's a suggestion that all was not right with this kid...all of a sudden our progressive brethren who needed absolutely no additional evidence to support their "racist cops murder child" frothing...now they need "additional evidence."

I identify as progressive. I object to this broad brush accusation of 'frothing' and stuff.

As for wanting 'additional evidence,' the timing of the video disclosure, the paucity of initial evidence (there was the video, and nothing else), and the vague claim made for it ('looks like Brown), made questions appropriate in my opinion. As opposed to whatever you are implying, but not saying.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You talking to me?

My position has always been that it looked like "innocent black kid who did nothing murdered by white cop" was a POSSIBLE true description.* I've been arguing with those who were quite certain this description, or anything else besides "good shoot," could be dismissed out-of-hand. And further argument has been over claims of extremely wide freedom of action for police officers, that seemed to include "He's getting shot" as a commandment from God or something.

And if you don't find some odor of 'defense by character assassination' in the announcement of the robbery evidence, for the first time, at the same time as the disclosure of the identity of the officer who shot Brown, your nose may not be working at it's best.


* there are other possibilities as well, besides "good shoot.'

Bull Shit you have done nothing but jump to conclusions.
As far as releasing the video do you think it would have been better for the family to do it immediately. They did lose their son you know.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Not knowing would also had made him subject to ambush by Brown to evade, and likewise he's got instant trouble. The immediate aftermath will be subject to investigation and the community relations to review.

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How can you say Brown ambushed the cop? Do you have evidence for that?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

So it looks like Brown has already been tried and convicted of strong arm robbery.

On the basis of what?

That grainy video?

How do we know that wasn't taken in a convenience store in Detroit or Houston?

How many 300 lbs. black teenagers are there?

A lot.

Has anyone heard of the nationwide obesity and diabetes epidemic?

Oh, the perp was wearing T-shirt, shorts and Tennis shoes?

That narrows it down.

T=shirt, shorts and tennis shoes is only the summer uniform of the day for may'be 50 million people, and I'm one of them.

Where are the cigars?

Since Brown was short only 10 minutes after he allegedly stole 50 cigars surely the pockets of his shorts must have been bulging with them.

And where's the little feller that was roughed up in the video?

What does he have to say about all this?

Has he positively IDed Brown as his assailant?

The family said that it's there son in the vid

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

My point was that those who have challenged the prevailing attitude hereabouts have taken considerable heat for it. And now...now where there's a suggestion that all was not right with this kid...all of a sudden our progressive brethren who needed absolutely no additional evidence to support their "racist cops murder child" frothing...now they need "additional evidence."

We have a dead body riddled with bullet holes.

The other side has a grainy video.

[Pio1980]

The familly lawyer admits it's Brown on the vid, his companion/accomplice sez it was them that did the deed. The cop said the cigars that Brown had with him linked him to the robbery alert during the encounter.


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[icenine]

The store incident could be a felony....or a shoplifting charge. Hard to tell.

The video shows the owner was not afraid to confront Brown so they might say Brown did not use a weapon in the classic sense of the word. On the other hand the definition of assault is fear on the part of the victim that one could be hurt even if there is not actual weapon present and Brown did push the victim. I would imagine a felony charge but had he gone to court over this and it was a first offense they might have lessened the charge.


usually a felony is a crime that is more than a year in jail and a fine over a $1000 from what I remember from my Intro To Criminal Justice class...so if the fine and prison term for strong arming items from a store meets that criteria it would be a felony.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The familly lawyer admits it's Brown on the vid, his companion/accomplice sez it was them that did the deed. The cop said the cigars that Brown had with him linked him to the robbery alert during the encounter.


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I hadn't seen that so thanks.

However it better be true and not just some crap that came off some right wing site like "The Blaze" or it will come back to haunt you.

Still doesn't take the cop off the hook.

He had no knowledge of the robbery when he shot Brown.

He was just hassling some kids for walking in the street, a pretty chickenshit thing at best and IMO a blatant case of racial profiling.