18 and Dead.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Your defense of police state tactics is comforting to those of us who have been victimized by them, should I send sheriff Arpaio a heartfelt thank-you note for my family?

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I was wondering when this was going to come up for you on this thread. Steve this is no where near what went down in your case.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Acting in a professional manner is addressing lawbreakers while protecting yourself and society.

Originally Posted by Pio1980
Good policing avoids creating a situation like this.

That's the most naive assertion I've read here in a long while.

Why? Wishful thinking perhaps. We do know that the kid was jaywalking and the cop took exception to this, but escalate this into a confrontational situation? I would like to believe that an experienced cop would have given the youngster a bit more latitude.

I do agree with you that we do not know what happened within the patrol car and the other witness is dead.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

I was wondering when this was going to come up for you on this thread. Steve this is no where near what went down in your case.

At least there is a video record of the Scott Norberg incident, there is no verifiable record of what happened in Ferguson other than conflicting testimony of two persons with an interest in how it is perceived.
For those interested in my ref, Websearch "Murder on Msdison: The Norberg Remix".


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[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

At least there is a video record of the Scott Norberg incident, there is no verifiable record of what happened in Ferguson other than conflicting testimony of two persons with an interest in how it is perceived.
For those interested in my ref, Websearch "Murder on Msdison: The Norberg Remix".


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It's way to early to know this and thats why I can't understand this thread or the race to judgement.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Your defense of police state tactics is comforting to those of us who have been victimized by them, should I send sheriff Arpaio a heartfelt thank-you note for my family?

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Is he operating within the confines of the law?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Is there anything you won't condone, if the police do it?

"Anything" is similar to never in that something can always be conceived to make the statement false.

If your desire is to pigeon hole me, might I recommend making the hole specific enough that an answer matters?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Is he operating within the confines of the law?

No!!

And you should look up what Steve is talking about.
The Murder of Scott Norberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BeOd_Ukm_s

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Why? Wishful thinking perhaps.

I didn't say I wouldn't prefer you were right. It just doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by BeamOn

We do know that the kid was jaywalking and the cop took exception to this, but escalate this into a confrontational situation? I would like to believe that an experienced cop would have given the youngster a bit more latitude.

Latitude ends when you touch an officer. The only thing which 100% definitively could have kept this from occurring is to not do your job by failing to acknowledge behavior through interaction. (i.e., "blow it off.")

Choices? Yes. But I see no reason to lament a choice to perform a job function. How is debatable up to the point of contact but once that occurs all bets are off.

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I do agree with you that we do not know what happened within the patrol car and the other witness is dead.

Your options are that the officer feared for his life or felt like executing a citizen.

I know which one I find more plausible.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

If he was actually acting in a professional manner nobody would have been shot.

Originally Posted by Zeke

Acting in a professional manner is addressing lawbreakers while protecting yourself and society.

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Good policing avoids creating a situation like this.

Originally Posted by Zeke

That's the most naive assertion I've read here in a long while.

There is nothing naïve in Steve's assertion. Better training could help to lessen the tensions in police/citizen interfacing which in turn may help to keep matters from escalating to violence. This said, no amount of training will keep a bad person from being a bad LEO.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

"Anything" is similar to never in that something can always be conceived to make the statement false.

If your desire is to pigeon hole me, might I recommend making the hole specific enough that an answer matters?

I will give it a shot.

The crime of jaywalking, where would you rate it on a scale of zero to ten. I would rate it a o.1. It's said that punishment must fit the crime. Should we not expect then that the LE response should also fit the purported crime?