Israel has invaded Gaza...

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'll answer honestly right here. As far as I'm concerned your'e a hypocrite. Feel free to unfriend me if you're so inclined.

That doesn't address the question I asked.

And I'm a hypocrite because I don't accept it's my duty to police every wrong thing anyone says on the board? And if was agree 'Nazi' is just awful, does that have anything actually to do with what 'fucking Wolverine' is?

Now why do you think I'd want to unfriend you? Have I called you names? Have I behaved badly to you, or given you any reason to think I don't think you're an OK person?

You have some 'areas for growth,' that's all. That's allowed. So do I.

[note: this adresses the unedited version of Ike's post. I need to go back now and see if I have any further response, since he's added to it.]

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You've been clear as the waters off Haifa what you think of backwater cabbageville US House districts that elect dirtbags like Louie Gohmert and Michelle Bachmann. Ever been to those or any other ultra-right-wing teabag House districts? Ever been to Gohmert's district? Then maybe you have no right to any fucking opinion whatsoever about what goes on there or why they elect the boneheads they do, run their schools the way they do, deny gays their rights the way they do, stick their noses into women's reproductive organs the way they do, or any other crap they do. After you've spent 4 weeks in Gilmer, Texas, come back an educate me all about it.

I've been to every one of the 50 states and lived in Texas and have spent quite a bit of time in East Texas and Northwest Louisiana (the better part of three years). FWIW, I've never lived north of the Mason/Dixon line (Maryland, Virginia, Louisiana and Texas). I very much like the American South and Southwest and like a lot about the culture in those places. However, I admit to not having a warm spot for 'Baggers, probably because my mother-in-law is one.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That doesn't address the question I asked.

And I'm a hypocrite because I don't accept it's my duty to police every wrong thing anyone says on the board? And if was agree 'Nazi' is just awful, does that have anything actually to do with what 'fucking Wolverine' is?

Now why do you think I'd want to unfriend you? Have I called you names? Have I behaved badly to you, or given you any reason to think I don't think you're an OK person?

You have some 'areas for growth,' that's all. That's allowed. So do I.

[note: this adresses the unedited version of Ike's post. I need to go back now and see if I have any further response, since he's added to it.]

I await.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I have no clue what you're talking about. So if you would like a response from me I'll need you to use some words I can understand that will allow me to get your point and make an appropriate reply. Thanks.

You mentioned that 80+% (and it's been reported) of the Israeli's are in support of the current Gaza incursion conducted by IDF.

My analogy was meant to say why not? The Palestinians being killed are mostly unarmed civilians and children who cannot fight back like the bambis' in the sights or the fish in a barrel. Kill ratio is what? 25 to 1?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You asked me how I'd feel. Asked and answered. You don't get two.

No you didn't. Where do you claim you did?

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And I also answered as to how you left your balls in your other pants regarding that comment. Suggesting that trying to make peace with terrorist scum is the equivalent of trying to make peace with wolverines is an insult to decent wolverines everywhere. If you don't give a shit that Israeli Jews (mostly the descendants of nazi murderers for christ's sake) are being referred to as nazis on this forum then you don't. And your two-faced petty defense of it is right here. You've made it clear above that anybody who wants to refer to a Jew as a nazi is just fine with you. You're a real first-rate, second-rate guy in my book.

Now you're arguing like DJ. Going all personal abusive and stuff. Is that the only sort of response you are capable of now? Again, I have not inisuilted you (except perhaps just now, in comparing you to DJ).

Of course I never said it's just fine to refer to a Jew as a Nazi--though it might be. Depends on which Jew. You aren't going to say it's impossible for any individual Jew to be Nazi-like, are you? It's awful, but it's not impossible.

Now if someone says 'Jews are in general Nazis,' that would be highly outrageous, and somewhat more likely to move me to respond, though again I thnk it's unfair to say I agree with anything I don't argue with.

And where the fuck did that 'killers of Christ' bit come from? If you've been paying any attention, you know I don't subscribe to Christianity at all, let alone ignorant bigoted versions of it.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

You mentioned that 80+% (and it's been reported) of the Israeli's are in support of the current Gaza incursion conducted by IDF.

This statistic he gave in misleading in several ways. It was 87% of Jewish Israelis, not 87% of Israelis (Jews make up 75% of Israel). Israeli Arabs are ~21% of the population and they're strongly opposed to these actions, needless to say.

Secondly, nearly every country is four-square behind their nation going to war....until they're not. The Iraq War is a prime example. Dubya had a very strong majority going into the war and now only a few percent think it was worthwhile. There's a certain rally-around-the-flag dynamic in play with such statistics.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Feel free to unfriend me if you're so inclined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly-9MDqMAd0

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I've been to every one of the 50 states and lived in Texas and have spent quite a bit of time in East Texas and Northwest Louisiana (the better part of three years). FWIW, I've never lived north of the Mason/Dixon line (Maryland, Virginia, Louisiana and Texas). I very much like the American South and Southwest and like a lot about the culture in those places. However, I admit to not having a warm spot for 'Baggers, probably because my mother-in-law is one.

Fine...you've been everywhere and met everybody. It was just an attempt to provide an illustration of my point. Do you get my point? Or not?

It's like idiot parents telling somebody else they're in no position to have an opinion on parenting or child rearing because "...you've never been a parent." It's utter bullshit. Now please don't tell me how you have 15 children...OK?

I find this to be persistent dismissive one-up crap Finn. And I take exception to it. I will only become more agitated every time you pull this shit.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

This statistic he gave in misleading in several ways. It was 87% of Jewish Israelis, not 87% of Israelis (Jews make up 75% of Israel). Israeli Arabs are ~21% of the population and they're strongly opposed to these actions, needless to say.

Secondly, nearly every country is four-square behind their nation going to war....until they're not. The Iraq War is a prime example. Dubya had a very strong majority going into the war and now only a few percent think it was worthwhile. There's a certain rally-around-the-flag dynamic in play with such statistics.

The difference is...Israelis have been fighting for their lives for over 60 years. They've never been out of a state of war.

Israeli Jews? Really? Of course Israeli Jews. Ask a Japanese American in 1946 if he thought an atomic bomb should have been dropped on Hiroshima. What do you think he's gonna say???

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Of course I never said it's just fine to refer to a Jew as a Nazi--though it might be. Depends on which Jew. You aren't going to say it's impossible for any individual Jew to be Nazi-like, are you? It's awful, but it's not impossible.

Y'see man. No it doesn't. I doesn't depend on which Jew. It's not about the Jew, it's about the bigot making the comment. Don't you get that????? It's a comment designed only to insult, inflame, provoke and generate a reaction. It doesn't matter if an individual Jew acts like a murderous nazi. It's an insult to all Jews. It should be an insult to any human being. If you don't get that, and clearly you don't, I can't do anything about it. And remaining silent about it is the moral equivalent of the behavior of every European Jew's neighbor who watched him being dragged off to the cattle cars without a word.

"First they came for the Jews"...you know this, you've read this. Maybe you think it's bullshit.

And if I take this shit too personally for you, you're free to ignore my participation. It's personal for me and I won't be accepting any suggestions that I should take it lightly.

I'm done with this conversation.