Death penalty.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If politicians didn't wear their willingness/desire to execute people as a merit badge for their "toughness on crime" (or accuse people who have moral qualms about it as soft on crime), I might be more willing to accept it. I think peoples' enthusiasm for the death penalty will ultimately fade, as it has in all other civilized countries (except Japan to a small degree).



The following 21 countries are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out executions in 2012: Afghanistan (14), Bangladesh (1), Belarus (3+), China (2000+), Gambia (9), India (1), Iran (314+), Iraq (129+), Japan (7), North Korea (6+), Pakistan (1), Palestine (6), Republic of China (6), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (6+), South Sudan (5+), Sudan (19+), UAE (1), USA (43), Yemen (28+).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_..._population.29

Thanks, Finn.
That puts a lot of perspective on the issue.

Look at the company we keep on this issue! 😟

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Well Dave, I didn't expect to see the death wish from you. That's a big case too, when you dismiss an innocent victim of the system with a 'shit happens.'

If you don't care about innocent victims, why do you want the murderers dead in the first place?

Seems to me you're being sort of pre-logical here.

I do care about the murderers victims. That's why I want to see the murderer twitch and scream as he slowly gets blended into a Scumbag Smoothie. Having excessive concern for the one out of ten thousand innocent that might actually get through is what lets the guilty off the hook. If you don't like it, support making the process of trial more infallible.

Dave

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If politicians didn't wear their willingness/desire to execute people as a merit badge for their "toughness on crime" (or accuse people who have moral qualms about it as soft on crime), I might be more willing to accept it. I think peoples' enthusiasm for the death penalty will ultimately fade, as it has in all other civilized countries (except Japan to a small degree).

The following 21 countries are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out executions in 2012: Afghanistan (14), Bangladesh (1), Belarus (3+), China (2000+), Gambia (9), India (1), Iran (314+), Iraq (129+), Japan (7), North Korea (6+), Pakistan (1), Palestine (6), Republic of China (6), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (6+), South Sudan (5+), Sudan (19+), UAE (1), USA (43), Yemen (28+).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_..._population.29

Belarus surprises!

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I do care about the murderers victims. That's why I want to see the murderer twitch and scream as he slowly gets blended into a Scumbag Smoothie. Having excessive concern for the one out of ten thousand innocent that might actually get through is what lets the guilty off the hook. If you don't like it, support making the process of trial more infallible.

Dave

As I said, the death wish. You're really wishing for the death of the murderer, and having fun imagining a novel sort of destruction to be done to their body. What makes the idea of that death so important (and enjoyable) that you're willing to kill innocent people from time to time rather that forego it?

I'll tell you what. Pre-rational instinct.

[piece-itpete]

I think it is perfectly rational. Some folks have forfeited their right to live in civilized society, and it's not up to us to support them either. I mostly agree with Dave.

I wonder how many of those highly advanced European countries banned the death penalty with a popular vote.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I think it is perfectly rational. Some folks have forfeited their right to live in civilized society, and it's not up to us to support them either. I mostly agree with Dave.

I wonder how many of those highly advanced European countries banned the death penalty with a popular vote.

Pete

All I know is that in the western European countries I've visited (every one but Ireland (until tomorrow) and Portugal), most people find it barbaric. People in eastern European countries still support it by a small majority. Only 23% of Germans support it.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/899

[bobabode]

I stand with Ol' Ben. Something along the lines of, I'd rather see 100 guilty go free than one innocent hang. Life in prison, no execution.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I think it is perfectly rational. Some folks have forfeited their right to live in civilized society, and it's not up to us to support them either. I mostly agree with Dave.

I wonder how many of those highly advanced European countries banned the death penalty with a popular vote.

Pete

You weasel! Lead with 'perfectly rational,' then slip in a 'mostly'....

Is 'lowest-common-denominator' the best way to decide what's right and wrong?

[BlueStreak]

Maybe I'm just your run of the mill American Capitalist trying to create a market for my "Capital Punishment Blender"? Why are you bashing me? Is it because you're an America hating Communist?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Could we design the blender to have a Rube Goldberg style loader?

Pete