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03-13-2014, 02:24 PM
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A self taught economist who's favorite source is ShadowStats and a constitutional scholar who reads NewsMux....<guffah, snicker> Oh, gawd. 
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You nailed it.
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03-13-2014, 02:29 PM
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Then you would know that legislation, especially of this magnitude, continues to be amended while being implemented.
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Amendment are for congress to do, not the president.
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03-13-2014, 02:44 PM
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Can you show me where Obama has amended it? So far he's delayed some of the deadlines, IIRC.
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03-13-2014, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bobabode
Can you show me where Obama has amended it? So far he's delayed some of the deadlines, IIRC.
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He's got a pen and a phone....
...and control of the agencies who circumvent the legislative process and have made the law whatever they want it to be in the name of political expediency. With HHS, IRS and Treasury issuing rule-making and waivers, the plain language of the law is being ignored. But, since no one in Congress seems to care, and sine Dems stood up and cheered during the State of the Union when Obama stated he planned to circumvent them, I guess no one will challenge this.
Latest example: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/us...-pay.html?_r=0
There is this thing called the Fair Labor Standards Act that determines when and how overtime is paid. But, if a Pres has a pen and a phone, who cares?
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03-13-2014, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
He's got a pen and a phone....
...and control of the agencies who circumvent the legislative process and have made the law whatever they want it to be in the name of political expediency. With HHS, IRS and Treasury issuing rule-making and waivers, the plain language of the law is being ignored. But, since no one in Congress seems to care, and sine Dems stood up and cheered during the State of the Union when Obama stated he planned to circumvent them, I guess no one will challenge this.
Latest example: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/us...-pay.html?_r=0
There is this thing called the Fair Labor Standards Act that determines when and how overtime is paid. But, if a Pres has a pen and a phone, who cares?
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I suspect that everyone would've stood and cheered had the Shrub had the balls to make an executive decision...oh, wait. 
Even the DemocRats got in that conga line.
What's changed?
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03-13-2014, 07:01 PM
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Can you show me where Obama has amended it? So far he's delayed some of the deadlines, IIRC.
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In the actual Law writing where it has the dates the mandate take place it says "Shall Be"
Meaning that's the law congress passed and is to take place on that specific date. You do not change the signed by congress law unless you go to them for a vote to change it.
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03-13-2014, 07:07 PM
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The Affordable Care Act was passed by Congress and then signed into law by the President on March 23, 2010.
On June 28, 2012 the Supreme Court rendered a final decision to uphold the health care law.
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/
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03-13-2014, 07:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whell
He's got a pen and a phone....
...and control of the agencies who circumvent the legislative process and have made the law whatever they want it to be in the name of political expediency. With HHS, IRS and Treasury issuing rule-making and waivers, the plain language of the law is being ignored. But, since no one in Congress seems to care, and sine Dems stood up and cheered during the State of the Union when Obama stated he planned to circumvent them, I guess no one will challenge this.
Latest example: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/us...-pay.html?_r=0
There is this thing called the Fair Labor Standards Act that determines when and how overtime is paid. But, if a Pres has a pen and a phone, who cares?
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Shrub did make similar changes to the OT rules, except of course it was for less OT for some people. So was he also a tyrant running roughshod over the law? Or, perchance, the law gives the executive such power?
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03-13-2014, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bobabode
A self taught economist who's favorite source is ShadowStats and a constitutional scholar who reads NewsMux....<guffah, snicker> Oh, gawd. 
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Reminds me of an NCAA basketball game many years ago where the visiting team was UNLV and I forget the home team, home crowd put up a sign that read "Welcome Scholars".
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03-13-2014, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
Shrub did make similar changes to the OT rules, except of course it was for less OT for some people. So was he also a tyrant running roughshod over the law? Or, perchance, the law gives the executive such power?
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Exactly. Congress wrote the law leaving its implementation, through rulemaking, to the Executive Branch. They could have done otherwise, but didn't.
And how exactly is somebody making $24K annually considered management?
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