McConnell Declares All Out War On The 'Bagger Nation

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

The biggest challenge that "the left" has in the political arena is that they can't be honest about who they are, generally speaking. I'd suggest that, on one hand, many of the CA House members are pretty far left. But, even in a left-leaning state like CA, if many of them were to come out publicly and proclaimed the aligned with the political "left", some of them would become unpopular in a hurry.

Over on the east coast, Markey or McGovern in MA don't publicly let their lefty freak flags fly, but their public positions on most issues wouldn't never be mistaken for the products of the Heritage Foundation.

On the other hand, here locally, if John Conyers came out publicly as a communist, no one would be surprised.

Complete horseshit, a product of a far right mind which believes anyone not as far to the tight as it is has to be a "lefty".

Horseshit and double negatives!

The dumbest part of this, of course, is that you didn't even think to mention Bernie Sanders.

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Complete horseshit, a product of a far right mind which believes anyone not as far to the tight as it is has to be a "lefty".

Horseshit and double negatives!

The dumbest part of this, of course, is that you didn't even think to mention Bernie Sanders.

John

I've heard that lovable So(c)ialist pinko is considering a presidential run. Don't think he'd win, but he would spice it up a bit.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I've heard that lovable So(c)ialist pinko is considering a presidential run. Don't think he'd win, but he would spice it up a bit.

He is thinking about it. If he does, and if he gets on the ballot out here, I'll vote for him in the primary. (Now that California has an open primary system, I can do that, even if Bernie runs as an Independent/non-aligned candidate.) Since California's a safe Democratic state, I might even vote for him in the general.

John

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Complete horseshit, a product of a far right mind which believes anyone not as far to the tight as it is has to be a "lefty".

Horseshit and double negatives!

The dumbest part of this, of course, is that you didn't even think to mention Bernie Sanders.

John

Of course, it would also take a far left mind to write the above post. Perspective is everything, I guess.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Of course, it would also take a far left mind to write the above post. Perspective is everything, I guess.

Okay, I'll cop to that. I am indeed pretty far to the left...... and, except for Senator Sanders, I don't see anyone in elected office anywhere close to where I come from.

And I'll second and expand a little on what DQ said. Anyone who tosses the word "communist" around with respect to American politicians is a clueless reactionary mouth breather.

John

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Communist is an extreme and mud-laden term.

Of course it is. People seem to mistake communism with the Communist party. Communism and a totalitarian government are polar extremes. The biggest downfall of communism is the fact that peoples need to be governed always leads to a totalitarian government.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by mpholland

The biggest downfall of communism is the fact that peoples need to be governed always leads to a totalitarian government.

That's quite a blanket statement.

John

[bobabode]

Sounds like Marc is going pink.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by mpholland

Of course it is. People seem to mistake communism with the Communist party. Communism and a totalitarian government are polar extremes. The biggest downfall of communism is the fact that peoples need to be governed always leads to a totalitarian government.

You raise an interesting point, and certainly one can imagine a non-totalitarian communist country. One can imagine non-totalitarian market so(c)ialism even more easily. But I think the biggest thing leading to totalitarian communist countries was the radical nature of the transition from private ownership to state ownership. This can hardly be accomplished except by a revolutionary government that has swept away all opposition and gathered all power to itself. And having total control, it never relinquishes it.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Of course, it would also take a far left mind to write the above post. Perspective is everything, I guess.

Indeed. And the American Democratic party is probably further to the right than any governing conservative party in any industrialized country in the world (e.g., the CDU/SPD coalition in Germany).