The Affordable Care Act

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by icenine

Canada has about the population of California
America has 10 times that.

So what has that got to do with anything? The feds here probably already rakes in 15 times what the Internal Revenue service does in Canada.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

This reminds me of something I heard George Will say once: 'You're a pyromaniac in a field of straw men.'

Pete

So why don't you just tell us how you like all that stuff pete...instead of the cutsey distracting commentary? You want Ted Cruz in your woman's reproductive organs? You want to watch a family member waste away with MS because of the endless opposition to embryonic stem cell research? You want some politician telling you that marriage is only between a man and a woman? You want Adam and Eve taught in science class? You want your tax dollars going toward vouchers for some evangelical Christian's kid's religious indoctrination?

Really? Or ya just wanna be cute, maybe.

[piece-itpete]

I can't speak for Chas of course, but for myself absolutely. Otherwise what're we here for

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I dunno Chas. I don't know you, or your attitudes well enough to say anything close to that. But if we want to attempt a clarification I think we can do it. Because for me...I find myself unable to vote for any Republican politician as long as the GOP is the party that...

...wants to crush every public and private sector union into dust.

...wants to continue the fantasy that we can afford the current public unions appetite for more while the same public unions could care less for the private ones

...continues to stick it's nose into every American woman's reproductive organs.

.... continues to force what they believe through an oligarchy 'cause they sure can't get the vote

...continues to support this country's democratized gun carnage.

... see above re: overturning the vote with the added bonus of brushing off the Constitution.

...continues to support outlawing public and privately funded embryonic stem cell research.

... continues to hang on to a strange fascination with embryos even though adult cells are doing fine. Btw I know a man well dying from MS, he'd rather die.

...continues to support Genesis being taught in public school science class.

... continues to taut theory as fact and no scientific cynicism, and again forcing their view past the vote

...continues to support the use of tax dollars to pay for private school children's religious indoctrination.

... continues to sacrifice poor kids in awful schools on the altar of public unions, and not letting adults decide what to do with their own money.

...continues to prefer to see 30 million of the country's citizens being denied health care coverage.

.... pretends to offer universal health care written by insurance lobbyists that isn't, and call it affordable and it isn't, while lying to get it passed

...continues to pander to idiotic populist extremists.

... OWS

...will continually bring the people of this country to the brink of economic disaster by flirting with defaulting on the country's financial obligations.

...will continually pretend our debt doesn't matter in the face of repeated economic crashes elsewhere

As far as budget matters, including military spending are concerned I find the parties so close in spending as to be virtually indistinguishable. So my disgust for the GOP is centered on the list above.

I'd support a top down audit of the military.

What say you...eh Chas?

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by merrylander

So what has that got to do with anything? The feds here probably already rakes in 15 times what the Internal Revenue service does in Canada.

Canada's health care system is more like a state run system here in the states rather than a national one on our sort of scale. Plus your investments in other areas like defense probably are not nearly as large as ours is.

An expansion of Medicare for those between 27-64 would be a significant entitlement increase for our society.

Geographically your country is huge. Population wise it is small. Comparitively speaking.

I think National Health here would be sort of like what happened in England when they got it...their taxes went up, their status as a world power went down. That is a hard sell here. We like to be number one even if our health care system is wacked.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I can't speak for Chas of course, but for myself absolutely. Otherwise what're we here for



Pete

Next time I'll know better than to ask you a simple question.

So I'm gonna take this as a "yes", you like Ted Cruz's nose in your woman's reproductive organs (and all the rest of it) just fine.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Who's the genius that put the payment deadline two weeks after Christmas? Delay it a month or two and more people might have the money to pay. Ya think?

Dave

That's the way any insurance product works. You need to pay the premium to be covered. If you want to be covered for January 2014, you need to pay the premium in January 2014.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Next time I'll know better than to ask you a simple question.

So I'm gonna take this as a "yes", you like Ted Cruz's nose in your woman's reproductive organs (and all the rest of it) just fine.

Wow. Who knew Cruz was such a player? Awesome.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

That's the way any insurance product works. You need to pay the premium to be covered. If you want to be covered for January 2014, you need to pay the premium in January 2014.

True dat.

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You kinda have to care to be invested enough to bet. I don't care how many people are enrolled. The ACA is law...it will remain the law. If you're upset about that, you have my condolences.


And...it will remain the law until the country extracts it's collective head out of it's ass and institutes universal Medicare for everybody (without any bullshit monthly premiums paid to the government).

Ah, the "I don't care vote" combined with the "healthcare should be free" vote. Got it.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Canada's health care system is more like a state run system here in the states rather than a national one on our sort of scale. Plus your investments in other areas like defense probably are not nearly as large as ours is.

An expansion of Medicare for those between 27-64 would be a significant entitlement increase for our society.

Geographically your country is huge. Population wise it is small. Comparitively speaking.

I think National Health here would be sort of like what happened in England when they got it...their taxes went up, their status as a world power went down. That is a hard sell here. We like to be number one even if our health care system is wacked.

Being #1 is meaningless to me, I honestly couldn't care less if we were #10. I just want our healthcare system to cover everyone and the way we pay for it to be as fair and efficient as possible.

Dave