The Affordable Care Act

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Nice spin attempt. As usual you're only telling half the story. BTW 7 minutes wait time ain't chit. This isn't like shopping on Amazon for the latest tome from Palin.

Politburo? That's rich. I suspect you've never seen or talked to a real communist or even a soshulist. Obama is a corporatist, thru and through. As Ice said, this was a gift to the health insurance industry straight outta the old Heritage Foundation and modeled on Romney's plan in Mass.

Stick to the talking points even when they've been countered numerous times. Gotta give you credit for tenacity.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I dunno Chas. I don't know you, or your attitudes well enough to say anything close to that. But if we want to attempt a clarification I think we can do it. Because for me...I find myself unable to vote for any Republican politician as long as the GOP is the party that...

...wants to crush every public and private sector union into dust.
...continues to stick it's nose into every American woman's reproductive organs.
...continues to support this country's democratized gun carnage.
...continues to support outlawing public and privately funded embryonic stem cell research.
...continues to support Genesis being taught in public school science class.
...continues to support the use of tax dollars to pay for private school children's religious indoctrination.
...continues to prefer to see 30 million of the country's citizens being denied health care coverage.
...continues to pander to idiotic populist extremists.
...will continually bring the people of this country to the brink of economic disaster by flirting with defaulting on the country's financial obligations.

As far as budget matters, including military spending are concerned I find the parties so close in spending as to be virtually indistinguishable. So my disgust for the GOP is centered on the list above.

What say you...eh Chas?

I think you have taken various policies from different Republicans, defined them in the most extreme manner possible, and then dismissed the entire party as being cut from the same cloth as the Luddite strawman you have just created. No doubt the GOP have fielded their fair share of Lulus, and some of them are so full of shit that I can in no way defend them, but they do not define the entire party.

Suppose I would describe the Democrat party as no more than a core of Fabians intent on making the individual subservient to the state, supported by a collection of fools cheering their way into slavery. Would that be an accurate description?

My point is that we have become so blinded to the manipulation of both parties that we cease to see one another as rational humans, but instead as enemies to be hated and destroyed. The existing political paradigm.

I prefer to search for what we have in common as opposed to concentrating on what divides us. As a rule we all want the same thing. And we will never have things 100% our way.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Enough of us get drunk, Chas, and we'll all be agreeing with you.

Regards,

D-Ray

Is the fact that I've become more convivial an indication as to my level of intoxication?

Chas

[whell]

Originally Posted by Charles

I think you have taken various policies from different Republicans, defined them in the most extreme manner possible, and then dismissed the entire party as being cut from the same cloth as the Luddite strawman you have just created. No doubt the GOP have fielded their fair share of Lulus, and some of them are so full of shit that I can in no way defend them, but they do not define the entire party.

Suppose I would describe the Democrat party as no more than a core of Fabians intent on making the individual subservient to the state, supported by a collection of fools cheering their way into slavery. Would that be an accurate description?

My point is that we have become so blinded to the manipulation of both parties that we cease to see one another as rational humans, but instead as enemies to be hated and destroyed. The existing political paradigm.

I prefer to search for what we have in common as opposed to concentrating on what divides us. As a rule we all want the same thing. And we will never have things 100% our way.

Chas

You've hit it squarely on the head. More often that not, the difference between Republicans and Democrats is the pathway each takes to abuse the mechanisms of government.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Charles

I think you have taken various policies from different Republicans, defined them in the most extreme manner possible, and then dismissed the entire party as being cut from the same cloth as the Luddite strawman you have just created. No doubt the GOP have fielded their fair share of Lulus, and some of them are so full of shit that I can in no way defend them, but they do not define the entire party.

Suppose I would describe the Democrat party as no more than a core of Fabians intent on making the individual subservient to the state, supported by a collection of fools cheering their way into slavery. Would that be an accurate description?

My point is that we have become so blinded to the manipulation of both parties that we cease to see one another as rational humans, but instead as enemies to be hated and destroyed. The existing political paradigm.

I prefer to search for what we have in common as opposed to concentrating on what divides us. As a rule we all want the same thing. And we will never have things 100% our way.

Chas

I still maintain you always find the meat in this shit.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You've hit it squarely on the head. More often that not, the difference between Republicans and Democrats is the pathway each takes to abuse the mechanisms of government.

"When you look at the Republicans, you see the scum off the top of business. When you look at the Democrats, you see the scum off the top of politics. Personally, I'd rather get the business. A businessman will steal from you directly instead of getting the IRS to do it for him. And when Republicans ruin the environment, destroy the supply of affordable housing and wreck the industrial infrastructure, at least somebody makes a buck off it. The Democrats just do these things for fun."

- P.J. O'Rourke - A Parliament of Whores

[Charles]

Originally Posted by whell

You've hit it squarely on the head. More often that not, the difference between Republicans and Democrats is the pathway each takes to abuse the mechanisms of government.

And you've put it in a nutshell.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

"When you look at the Republicans, you see the scum off the top of business. When you look at the Democrats, you see the scum off the top of politics. Personally, I'd rather get the business. A businessman will steal from you directly instead of getting the IRS to do it for him. And when Republicans ruin the environment, destroy the supply of affordable housing and wreck the industrial infrastructure, at least somebody makes a buck off it. The Democrats just do these things for fun."

- P.J. O'Rourke - A Parliament of Whores

Now we're getting down to kicking the right dog.

Chas

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by Charles

I think you have taken various policies from different Republicans, defined them in the most extreme manner possible, and then dismissed the entire party as being cut from the same cloth as the Luddite strawman you have just created. No doubt the GOP have fielded their fair share of Lulus, and some of them are so full of shit that I can in no way defend them, but they do not define the entire party.

Suppose I would describe the Democrat party as no more than a core of Fabians intent on making the individual subservient to the state, supported by a collection of fools cheering their way into slavery. Would that be an accurate description?

My point is that we have become so blinded to the manipulation of both parties that we cease to see one another as rational humans, but instead as enemies to be hated and destroyed. The existing political paradigm.

I prefer to search for what we have in common as opposed to concentrating on what divides us. As a rule we all want the same thing. And we will never have things 100% our way.

Chas

I see what you are saying and can agree with some.

What Ike listed is, for the most part, the GOP party platform. It's not just the most extreme or cherry picked. It is the very platform they roll out at their conventions when election time comes around.

That party platform is exactly why so many of us have dropped the "R" from behind our name.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Stick to the talking points even when they've been countered numerous times. Gotta give you credit for tenacity.

It sure is easier to just label stuff 'talking points' and dismiss than it is to engage in actual argument, isn't it?