The Affordable Care Act

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Charles

The flack is the heaviest whenever you're over the target.

Chas

That's what they said about Dresden and Tokyo.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Just a tad apocalyptical ain'tcha? You and JB must be drinkin' the same KoolAid. Lemme guess, it's Limburger? (artificially flavored)

Actual I'm drinking cheap wine right now

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Actual I'm drinking cheap wine right now

Boones Farm?

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Boones Farm?

PFFT, Barefoot Cab-Sav

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

PFFT, Barefoot Cab-Sav

Heh, I was going to say Mad Dog 20/20.

[icenine]

Oh now I understand JBS

fortified wines and Fox news mixed together....

now I understand

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Being dropped by the insurance companies. They could have made these policies meet minimum standards just by taking away the CEO's 2013 bonus.

Oops nearly took thr Lord's name in vain, we have the worlds shittiest healthcare system that only works if you have money. We have 40 million people uninsured, 65% of personal bankruptcies are due to medical coste. Hospitals use a billing system called Chargemaster that should make every citizen hang their head in shame.

Yes they should have done SinglePayer but the average American voter is just too easily led around by the nose and the politicians too busy lining their pockets.

You nailed it.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

As usual, you've complete missed the point. The point was, why were all of these businesses, Faux news and legions of "patriots" so quiet for all these years not complaining about the increases? Why is it now that they are jumping up and down and not for the past four decades?

Originally Posted by merrylander

Whell the issue is that we did not hear a peep out of you in past years when 10 and 20% increases in premiums was the law of the land. So we know that you are only bitching now because it Obamacare. As long as it was United Healthcare or Humana, or Aetna you did not say a damn word.

Sure ACA is a screw-up, when have you people ever done anything halfway intelligent about healthcare? Every other industrialized nation does it better at half the price, so what other conclusion can we draw?

Thank-you gents. That's my point. Now...when it's finally poor people getting the coverage they should have had for 45 years...now...when it's at the hand of the Kenyan anti-colonialist...now it's an outrage. Where was the high premium cost whining...the forced plan change blubbering...the "forced to change my doctor" bleating over the last 4 decades? Nobody flew into a bigger rage than me when Obama abandoned the public option. Nobody was more pissed off than me that when he had the opportunity he didn't even stick a toe in the single payer waters. The health care system in this country should have never been employment related, it should never have been insurance industry related, and no aspect of it should ever have been for-profit.

But I support it because... 1.everybody has the opportunity for coverage, and 2. no pre-existings. And I support it because there isn't one Republican politician, one social conservative, or one fucking political forum right wing hardcase I've heard from who has had word one to say about how their alternative to the ACA is going to provide for those two issue that have been a disgrace for over 4 decades.

But in answer to whell's question of what would I do if I were a small business owner? I'd do what they do. I wouldn't provide full-time employment to anybody but those in the most essential positions. If you want a job, you work part-time. Our noble, socially minded entrepreneurs and business executives have been doing it for decades...why would anybody expect it to be any different now?

[icenine]

You have to remember that Obama barely got the ACA through the Senate.
Lieberman of Connecticut was not going to go for public option or single payer.
He did not want another entitlement. And that was Lieberman.

Well he did not want the age of Medicare going down to 55 or so.

If Obama could not get Lieberman he was not goint to get the Republicans for a single player plan.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

You have to remember that Obama barely got the ACA through the Senate.
Lieberman of Connecticut was not going to go for public option or single payer.
He did not want another entitlement. And that was Lieberman.

Well he did not want the age of Medicare going down to 55 or so.

If Obama could not get Lieberman he was not goint to get the Republicans for a single player plan.

I know...I know. It's just an emotional response to this thing on my part. But I'll tell ya what...when a lot of us started making noise about it back at the beginning, or even down the road when the ACA finally passed, and Gibbs got up in front of the cameras scolding us for our idiotic persistence in demanding universal medicare...had I been in the press conference room I would have pitched a shoe at his head.

So part of my support for the ACA is the hope that it will become so burdensome for the government and such a pain in the ass for the insurance industry that the country will be forced to go single payer. It would also probably require the government to come down on the insurance industry and medical providers who are the ones driving up the costs and forcing the plan changes so that they can continue raking in the shekels. Anyway...I'll probably never see it in my lifetime and I already have my medicare.

But I also lay this thing at the feet of the American people...the majority of whom have been happy as clams with their employer sponsored insurance and the majority of whom don't give a shit in their hat for how many of their fellow Americans are uninsured and how many of them needlessly die every year for it.