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[barbara]

Originally Posted by MikeG22

Never and hope it stays that way. Weak argument, all it takes is once and you'll be glad you were prepared.

Security systems you can wipe your ass with them. Make sure you advertise the brand on your house so they know to cut the phone wire before kicking the door in. How many times has it happened, once is too many.

Not a weak argument. I don't know anyone who advocates using guns on a mid night intruder who has actually faced that situation and used their gun in a way that was effective for defense. However, I know several people who have faced that situation and their guns were useless because, as responsible gun owners, they had their guns and ammunition properly stored. And, I know one person who had their gun loaded and handy and the intruder strong armed it away and used it on them.

Sounds like you don't know much about what is available in home security technology these days.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Most are cell based now, Mike.

I sometimes wonder how much cell phone use has cut down on the sort of breaking and entering crime...a criminal cannot disable the landline like in the old days to be sure no one could contact the police. Any one going into a home illegally today has to know that the place is "wired" (as in wireless!) and that there will be 2 or 3 cell phones per house.

You know murders have decreased in Los Angeles to about 300 per year; they used to average about a 1000 per year in the 90s I believe. It seems to me that much more people are getting killed by non-criminals with guns rather than by crimnals with guns. Let's face it when you hear about a murder on the news you either assume it is domestic or gang related. How often is someone shot by a complete stranger?

[barbara]

http://www.citizendefensetraining.com/safe_at_home.htm

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by barbara

A German Shepard isn't too bad of a deterrent either.

Indeed! In our case the Feline Horde here would never forgive me if we got one.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by MikeG22

Never and hope it stays that way. Weak argument, all it takes is once and you'll be glad you were prepared.

Security systems you can wipe your ass with them. Make sure you advertise the brand on your house so they know to cut the phone wire before kicking the door in. How many times has it happened, once is too many.

The fact remains that it's far more likely that someone in your family will be shot with your gun than an intruder. For the record, I've owned guns for about 50 years, have taught NRA Hunter Safety, am a NRA Distinguished Expert in smallbore, and am currently a range safety officer at my local range. However, I've never conceived of my modest arsenal (~10 guns) as a means of personal protection. All remained locked in a safe with ammo locked up separately.

[MikeG22]

Originally Posted by barbara

A German Shepard isn't too bad of a deterrent either.

As disposable as you are to a home intruder.

My house has never caught fire but you can bet I have smoke detectors and extinguishers.

You still dodge the question, when your prison of a house with the inmates answering the alarm system have not stopped the intruder what is your plan?

I live in rural suburbia. By the time law enforcement would get here at night we could bake a batch of cookies for them. Perhaps it is different where you live. Most home invasions were cases out before they happen so your deterents can all be useless.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by MikeG22

I live in rural suburbia. By the time law enforcement would get here at night we could bake a batch of cookies for them. Perhaps it is different where you live. Most home invasions were cases out before they happen so your deterents can all be useless.

I also live on the outer edges of suburbia. However, if I were to ever get an intruder (pretty unlikely as a large number of Montgomery County's finest live near me), I'd rather let him take whatever he wanted than put a bullet in him. I've lived in downtown DC and New Orleans and felt the same way there.

[barbara]

Mike, I did answer your question. You just don't want to hear it.

Preventative measures are the first line of defense.

And, my house is not a prison. Paranoid, I am not. Taking logical, safe and reasonable precautions is what I advocate.

[MikeG22]

Originally Posted by barbara

Mike, I did answer your question. You just don't want to hear it.

Preventative measures are the first line of defense.

Your answer is prevention not intervention. The answer is you have no intervention at all just a phone call to authorities. But you also fail to believe anyone else is capable of owning a firearm for home defense and it not harm them instead. M

Someone breaking in your home to steal your things late at night does not care about your life. They are not just going to take your things if you discover them, they will kill you to not be caught. Keep living with your heads in the ground.

[barbara]

Mike,
Your opinion doesn't change the facts.
Guns in the home are more likely to kill or injure friends and family members than be used for self defense.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/

http://www.dshs.wa.gov/pdf/ca/gunsafe.pdf